I do wonder how much this strike action is actually going to cost in the longer term. Surely it would have just been cheaper to accept the proposals the BMA put forward? Keep having to rearrange operations, especially now with the potential imposed contract likely to cause more strike action is bound to cost more in the longer term surely?
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There's a huge tens to hundreds of million pound saving to be made if you can get every NHS staff member working Saturday (and likely Sunday to follow) for plain time. The NHS annual wage budget is something like £50 billion. Worth moving (not really cancelling) a few thousand ops.
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I didn't know the Independant did satire:-
Jeremy Hunt launches urgent inquiry into junior doctors' morale
The Tories can't be seen to accommodate any Trade Union though, it'd just alienate their core voter base.
Jeremy Hunt launches urgent inquiry into junior doctors' morale
The Tories can't be seen to accommodate any Trade Union though, it'd just alienate their core voter base.
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It's wonderful isn't it? I've trashing your profession and cutting your pay. Let's sit down and talk about why you're sad?
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He should do a Gove - teachers morale instantly improved when he was
Interestingly, I tried to get an appointment for one of Hunts constituents "surgeries" on a Saturday only to be told by his secretary that he doesn't do them at weekends! Cheeky ****!
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There's been a few reports of people doing that and getting the same response. Apparently he only works Fridays...
Depends who they bring in afterwards to clean up the mess, though I can't imagine they'd get anyone worse.
Seem to do it with the underground staff on a fairly regular basis. Ah sorry I forgot everything revolves around London so must keep its inhabitants happy and ****** to everyone else
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Wow just read the limitations on locum work in the imposed contract.
If you opt out of EWTD to do extra work you have to offer your time to your trust before any agency and national internal locum rates are to be fixed.
Wow.
If you opt out of EWTD to do extra work you have to offer your time to your trust before any agency and national internal locum rates are to be fixed.
Wow.
That's critical for the whole thing working though isn't it?
Somehow Hunt is claiming he can find enough doctors to fill an extra two days of work even though he's promising a reduction in the hours junior doctors work. It's not possible to magically produce the 40% more doctors he'd need to practically pull it off as they don't exist.
The only way he could make good on his promise of a 7 day NHS is to make up the gap with locums. At agency locum rates the NHS budget would run out pretty damn quick, so it would be necessary to find a way to get locum doctors to work for less. This is it.
It's pretty scandalous, but what can you do? As someone pointed out earlier, there isn't anyone holding politicians to account any more. Large swathes of the public have their opinions prescribed to them by the press without question. The people who own the press all sit at the same table at our politicians.
Not much can be added to that other than a thumbs up.
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I suspect we'll just up sticks and walk out until this is sorted. The BMA has been too soft for too long.
There's precedence - it worked very well in NZ. 5 day total walkout.
It won't be pretty but it'll work.
There's precedence - it worked very well in NZ. 5 day total walkout.
It won't be pretty but it'll work.
The trouble is, will the guilt of any lives lost as a result play on people's minds? Will there be a blame game?
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If there's a total walkout by doctors then those that go on strike should be struck off the medical register for endangering patients' lives.
Imagine if the police were to do the same thing, would you want to be held to ransom as a society by those in life/death roles?
Unfortunately doctors are relying too much on the support of a population who will earn considerably less than them over their careers, not to mention the gold-plated pension.
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well you have to hand it to him, Hunt is doing his job very well. That job is obviously moving the uk to a private healthcare system.
The mans a genius when you think about it
The mans a genius when you think about it
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How is this doctors contact going to mean that people pay at the point of use?
You do realise that GP surgeries have been private for some time now and the world hasn't imploded?
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You clearly have an axe to grind but even so what utter nonsense. They're funded out of the public purse. Commissioning has changed but they're not private in any meaningful sense.
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More tripe, gold plated pension - nope not since the latest pension reform.
Yes doctors earn more than Joe Public, like lawyers/pilots/dentists or any other highly skilled career. You want someone with a brain to be looking after you then you've got to pay for it.
As for being struck off - where do you draw the line? Walking out harms patients, but allowing the NHS to be run into the ground does also. If we're so vital and us walking out is going to kill people maybe perhaps treating us a little better is a good idea.
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The only genius part is how government can turn public opinion against police/doctors/unions whatever the government agenda is. They always achieve it. Whether that takes 5, 10, 20 years they will get what they want. Plus right now all government wants at the moment is unions destroyed.
In between the public, squabble/fight then at some point wonder what the hell happened. They eventually accept it but bitch and moan about all the problems.
The day will come where you dont like it or feel ill treated, tough, you're fired because workers don't have any clout. The tories hate the public sector. If they could, they would destroy it all tomorrow but it gets done over a long time so the people cannot see what is going on. Get the people all fighting amongst each other and it works everytime in between political spin that most of the public like to hear.
Hunt has been tasked with forcing it all through and he will become public enemy one for a bit - then he will be moved off, everyone will calm down a bit and hey presto job done.
Not entirely sure on all the outrage though - I think I'd probably be a bit miffed and would just adjust my hours to safe guard the public.
Saying that I've a couple of 6 week notice of change on contracts before - normally involving shifts, left both times
Not entirely sure on all the outrage though - I think I'd probably be a bit miffed and would just adjust my hours to safe guard the public.
Saying that I've a couple of 6 week notice of change on contracts before - normally involving shifts, left both times
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What do you mean by "I'd just adjust my hours"? That's not an option for jnr doctors - you get a rota of hours you work, on paper at least...
Part of the issue is many of them are called junior doctors but there's very little junior about them.
In IT terms it's like calling an experiences third line support person a new start on the helpdesk, it doesn't reflect the work at all.
However they really have very little control over their hours, like most NHS staff.