SB/IB vs 2011

Skynet5 · 15 May 2012 at 23:10

Why do the new crop of chips for desktops have IGP?

Isn't everyone buying something they end up not using? The x79 setup isn't that more expensive is it?

I'm confused as to why this line of CPU is so popular with gamers. Is it coz really it's the only choice...but again why not x79/2011?

Energize · 16 May 2012 at 01:44

2500k/3570k for ~£150, 3930k for £450.

You don't think that's a big difference?! It's certainly not value for money that's for sure.

Skynet5 · 16 May 2012 at 07:35

Energize said:
2500k/3570k for ~£150, 3930k for £450.

You don't think that's a big difference?! It's certainly not value for money that's for sure.

But that compares it to a six core with HT. what about the 3820 which is quad with HT that's just 220ish!

Cythx · 16 May 2012 at 07:59

On top of the CPU price difference, I believe to motherboards and possibly RAM are cheaper.

paradigm · 16 May 2012 at 08:29

Cythx said:
On top of the CPU price difference, I believe to motherboards and possibly RAM are more cheaper.

You can get cheaper socket S1155 boards, but the feature-filled boards of both platforms are similarly priced. £200~ will see you in a good featured, decent overclocking S2011 board.

RAM is RAM. The only difference being that you need a minimum of 4 sticks to get the best out of X79.

Yaayuh! · 16 May 2012 at 09:36

I compared the two before moving the X79. I based it on the Asus Sabertooth and there was only about £50~£60 in it.

Skynet5 · 16 May 2012 at 19:08

It is odd I think. Reckon lots of people have got whipped up in the marketing of these 1155 chips and for relatively little if any more money.

2011 is definitely the better option for those considering hi end SB/IB...

Energize · 16 May 2012 at 22:15

lnoton said:
But that compares it to a six core with HT. what about the 3820 which is quad with HT that's just 220ish!

Most applications can't take advantage of 12 threads, never mind the 8 that the 1155 i7 series offers so it doesn't make sense for the vast majority of people. Since you mentioned gamers, how many games get a significant benefit from 2011 over a 4.8GHz 2500k?

Added to that is the limited overclocking performance which can make 2011 perform worse than an i5!

Ollie1132 · 16 May 2012 at 22:18

lnoton said:
It is odd I think. Reckon lots of people have got whipped up in the marketing of these 1155 chips and for relatively little if any more money.

2011 is definitely the better option for those considering hi end SB/IB...

Have you really weighed it up properly? quad cores barely even get touched performance wise in day to day. And the only other advantages are the fact that the PCI E slots of a x79 board runs x16 x16 compared to x8x8 but it doesn't even matter x8 pci 2.0 doesn't even get used so why have x16?

paradigm · 16 May 2012 at 23:53

Ollie1132 said:
Have you really weighed it up properly? quad cores barely even get touched performance wise in day to day. And the only other advantages are the fact that the PCI E slots of a x79 board runs x16 x16 compared to x8x8 but it doesn't even matter x8 pci 2.0 doesn't even get used so why have x16?

The only other advantage?

Pretty sure I like the fact that I'll have 64GB of RAM soon enough.

Ollie1132 · 16 May 2012 at 23:59

paradigm said:
The only other advantage?

Pretty sure I like the fact that I'll have 64GB of RAM soon enough.

yeah cause you're gonna use 64Gb of RAM.. never? unless you're RAMDisking?

Skynet5 · 17 May 2012 at 00:24

Energize said:
Most applications can't take advantage of 12 threads, never mind the 8 that the 1155 i7 series offers so it doesn't make sense for the vast majority of people. Since you mentioned gamers, how many games get a significant benefit from 2011 over a 4.8GHz 2500k?

Added to that is the limited overclocking performance which can make 2011 perform worse than an i5!

Now lack of good over clocking I didn't know.

Still....I don't think I'm happy with the options. Think I'll have to hold out until there is another launch.

Ollie1132 · 17 May 2012 at 00:28

lnoton said:
No lack of good over clocking I didn't know.

Still....I don't think I'm happy with the options.

Options of SB/IB? You realise that quad cores don't even get utilised fully correct? So it doesn't really matter...

Skynet5 · 17 May 2012 at 00:37

So why would I upgrade? Is it all about faster clocks?
I no my 680 sli is bottlenecked...

Ollie1132 · 17 May 2012 at 00:39

Are you sure you're 680 is bottlenecked? If it was then upgrading to SB/IB would obviously be worth while...

paradigm · 17 May 2012 at 18:59

lnoton said:
Now lack of good over clocking I didn't know.

Still....I don't think I'm happy with the options. Think I'll have to hold out until there is another launch.

There is no "lack" of overclocking on x79. x79 is a great overclocking platform, and rightly so given that it was deisnged with enthusiasts in mind!

Ollie1132 said:
yeah cause you're gonna use 64Gb of RAM.. never? unless you're RAMDisking?

I have a full VM lab and already use my 32GB fully a number of times each week.

Buckster · 17 May 2012 at 19:16

paradigm said:
There is no "lack" of overclocking on x79. x79 is a great overclocking platform, and rightly so given that it was deisnged with enthusiasts in mind!

I have a full VM lab and already use my 32GB fully a number of times each week.

if that was true the 3820 would have been a 3820k !

:eek

Ollie1132 · 17 May 2012 at 19:18

paradigm said:
I have a full VM lab and already use my 32GB fully a number of times each week.

And yet for those of us just using our PC for day to day use would you really suggest a X79 motherboard + CPU when it's not going to be used anywhere near what it would need to be effective..?

paradigm · 17 May 2012 at 19:34

Ollie1132 said:
And yet for those of us just using our PC for day to day use would you really suggest a X79 motherboard + CPU when it's not going to be used anywhere near what it would need to be effective..?

And I guess those with a "K" series SB or IB make full use of the onboard GPU?

Both platforms have their oddities, but I don't believe the 2500K to be the all-singing all-dancing answer to every spec me thread that this forum seems obsessed with.

X79 can be obtained for relatively little over an 1155 setup, and it has greater expandability and just as much (if not more) future proofing.

Buckster said:
if that was true the 3820 would have been a 3820k ! :eek

BCLK strapping would disagree with you

My overclock also disagrees with you

Ollie1132 · 17 May 2012 at 19:42

paradigm said:
And I guess those with a "K" series SB or IB make full use of the onboard GPU?

Both platforms have their oddities, but I don't believe the 2500K to be the all-singing all-dancing answer to every spec me thread that this forum seems obsessed with.

X79 can be obtained for relatively little over an 1155 setup, and it has greater expandability and just as much (if not more) future proofing.

True. Well I made use of my IGPU whilst I didn't have my GPU in my motherboard it comes in handy more than anything. The X79 for a normal user you must admit is just over kill. By the time they get around to fully using it they probably would have already upgraded to the next tick/tock anyway... X79's are probably going to last a lot longer than socket 1155's but most people would upgrade before the X79 starts struggling with what it's doing. Say in 5 years which would be the predictable guess at how long IB should last most people buying X79 systems wouldn't have to upgrade for at least 8... but they would probably upgrade at 3-5 years like you would with none enthusiast builds if that makes sense.