scared to contact csa

jed1970

jed1970

jed1970

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hello everybody im new to the forum and hope my question is posted in the right place
basically ive been paying arrear £50 per month direct from my salary for probly 5 or 6 years and want to know how much arrears is remaining-the case pertaining to the debt had been closed for 3 years
the thought of phoning the terrifies me me because i dont want them contacting my ex
cheers jarrod
 
It may be a case of biting the bullet unfortunately.

You could try searching on google: Dad Talk Legal Eagle

Lots of very useful advice regarding anything pertaining to separation. Posing your question there may also get a response from CM Options who are another option to contact.

You may also need to know what system you are on as all cases should not be on the new arrangement based system. If you can't reach and agreement unfortunately you will end up in theory paying three times. So its in your interest to pay direct as there isa 20% charge if they collect and pay.

Always loathe the CSA. If you are a dad you get hounded, if you are a Mum you get all the perks and if you are a mum who should be paying you are let off completely. Have seen this several times. Wish you luck
 
Oh look, you should have paid some money, you didn't pay money, you're worried about having to pay money.

Meanwhile your terrible ex has brought up your kids on less money than she should have had.

Hmm
 
Slam62 said:
Oh look, you should have paid some money, you didn't pay money, you're worried about having to pay money.

Meanwhile your terrible ex has brought up your kids on less money than she should have had.

Hmm
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Whilst this is the undertone I was getting too, I think it's a bit of a stretch to jump to that conclusion. The guy might have a ton of input and financial support in their upbringing.
 
Slam62,

Take it you have never been in their clutches?

A high proportion of CSA assessments are inaccurate. I was paying more than I should both times in fact and then AFTER the case was closed had the gall to say I must pay £7+ along with several threats on a letter.

How about chasing the mum of my mate with the same threats where they acknowledge she is working but can't take anything because its a maternity cover post..... Has been for years now and they still wont touch her. He's owed thousands but be a man and owe £7 and I may lose my drivers license, has my passport seized, wages arrested, be sent a visit from the boys or be sent to prison without being able to defend myself (the legal obligation and CSA being the only organization that can trump the court system).

Yes I do have an axe to grind especially when case workers have great comfort in telling you that if you do not give information we ask relating to the case you will be held liable for criminal proceedings in which you may be sent to prison. They effectively want access to what's in your head and if you do not provide it are criminal and may spend time at HM pleasure
 
Diddums said:
Whilst this is the undertone I was getting too, I think it's a bit of a stretch to jump to that conclusion. The guy might have a ton of input and financial support in their upbringing.
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Actually I believe primary support should be emotional but the legal system disagree.
 
Slam62 said:
Oh look, you should have paid some money, you didn't pay money, you're worried about having to pay money.

Meanwhile your terrible ex has brought up your kids on less money than she should have had.

Hmm
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What a stupid post. You don't know this persons circumstances, ever though that maybe it was the CSA's fault that he was underpaying? Maybe it was his own fault, but until you know the facts, it's a bit harsh posting like that, the guy will probably not return now with the 'tone' of the advice you gave. Sets the precedent doesn't it?

Anyway, The CSA has been changed now to CMS, they seem to be set out better than the joke that the CSA were. They will have any information you require and they won't have any reason to contact your ex as they will have the information you require.
 
Hmm, all the absent father's assume the blokes innocent, what about the full story, what about your full story?

I know nothing apart from what is written here, presumably the CSA know more. I paid for my kids up bringing, I am paying for uni and I am going to contribute to their first house along with anything else I can do.

When you have kids it's a whole new level of responsibility, as for winging about £7, give me a break.
You are their dad, get over it and pay!!
 
I'm not a father at all, there goes your theory :rolleyes:

You don't have enough information to be jumping to conclusions, end of story.
 
Slam62 said:
Hmm, all the absent father's assume the blokes innocent, what about the full story, what about your full story?

I know nothing apart from what is written here, presumably the CSA know more. I paid for my kids up bringing, I am paying for uni and I am going to contribute to their first house along with anything else I can do.

When you have kids it's a whole new level of responsibility, as for winging about £7, give me a break.
You are their dad, get over it and pay!!
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How obtuse can one person be? :rolleyes:

I said I was overpaying and I don't mean by a little. In fact come to think of it I was overcharged 3 times. I had my daughter sent to me in the dirtiest clothes she could be put in knowing I wouldn't stand for it and was getting a new outfit virtually every week but when asking to put her in the new boots I bought, "no nit really they are for best"... "well we're going a party" ... "well you'll just have to get another pair wont you"... Get a cheap pair and they are strangely scuffed and shredded the week later (daughter is not a scuffer and said she didn't wear them because mummy didn't let her). I've had coats ripped by "the dog".

Good for you paying, commendable. What some dads font like is paying extortionate sums and then not seeing their kids (not endorsing they should be connected before you bleat in with your misguided zeal of righteousness).

I'm also a dad who has been going the through a court system for five and a half years just to try and see one of my kids and I tell ya the system hates dads and every day breaks its own laws, rules and procedures. I've had mum knows best thrown at me in a case to deny an overseas holiday! I kid you not.

Everything hunky dory for you may be but there is an epidemic of mothers thwarting and obfuscating matters when it comes to contact and then you have a court system (not to mention the CMS and CSA) who collude and are complicit with nothing short of child abuse.
 
Don't justify yourself to him RaohNS, he's made it pretty clear that his way is the only way and everyone else is wrong.

No point wasting time on people like that ;)
 
Cheers Diddums, just saying that the "absent fathers" who are "millions" are the vast majority nothing of the sort. Absent dads are a very small minority I my experience. Mums who block contact however are a sizeable chunk.
 
Sadly it's a well known issue, when custody and child support ends up getting nasty the system tends to favour the mother, but then let's be honest, most of the time when this ends up in court it's because of an uncooperative father. It's a shame really, because loads of honest men get caught up in the system and have to face years of painful experiences with the CSA.
 
When it ends up in court its because of uncooperative father I would assume for CSA?

Child contact/arrangements are 97% because of Mums.

The CSA however have a track history of penalizing fathers. Despite mothers being less likely to pay and pay less less consistently but not have a single mum ever sent to prison or any punitive action: Then we have a system rooted in sexism.

I do FOI requests to CSA almost yearly and they never send mums on any prison trips or give fines/community service.

CSA made 11 kids under 16 homeless in 2014 because of orders of sale. There's cases of hundreds of thousands taken only to find out the guy isn't the father. No way of getting money back either.

Edit: Legalized fraud but still illegal under fraud act 2006 and breaking the cornerstone of all law. Family court is the only place where it has been categorically noted innocent until proven guilty is actually guilty before innocence
 
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Can we try to use a term other than 'absent' father's as well. It's a term used to shame men into behaving and providing resources. Often it's a justified term. But equally there are many father's who would far rather be with their children and given the option would want to care for them and allow the woman to provide instead. In those cases 'seperated' father's may be more accurate.
 
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