second 360, one red light

turtle3 · 25 Feb 2006 at 18:38

This is my second 360 after the first one started throwing up artifacts all over the screen, Its been playing fine up till this morning when I tried to turn it on and got 1 red light and a hardware failiure message to contact microsoft and quote error code E70. Took me 5-6 re-boots untill I got it working, now im living in constant worry its gonna give up the ghost...

Do you think that starting it from cold could have caused this,?? I left the heating off last night and the room was really chilly when I first fired it up at 5am this morning/couldnt sleep??,Also is there a list of the error codes/what they refer to, just a bit curious as to what error e70 meant

Elrein · 25 Feb 2006 at 18:42

No idea what the error code means but as far am im concerned the colder that box gets the better, give it the benefit of the doubt as it is a PC after all and see if it does it again.....

1 more hic-up and id be on the phone

bingham67 · 25 Feb 2006 at 18:44

Looks like another swap m8 e70 means buggered i think

turtle3 · 25 Feb 2006 at 19:16

Well ive been trying it every so often to see if it boots and it has so far, but like I said its now always at the back of my mind I got another duff one, but yeah when you think of it as a pc it seems a lot less worying I mean ive never owned or even known of a pc thats never had a false boot or crash,lol

Anyway fingers crossed

kidloco · 25 Feb 2006 at 20:51

im on my second xbox360, and now thats giving me 3 quadrents at boot all the time, eventually it will load and never crashes. its still a flaming joke how tempremental these things are. not really acceptable.

schnipps · 25 Feb 2006 at 22:15

The big worry is when these pass the 1 year mark, are we expected to fork out £ for failing machines left rignt and centre. Most are going to have to get the extended warranty.

NokkonWud · 25 Feb 2006 at 23:07

Every so often I get the 1 red light, a re-boot and it's fine. Can be a little annoying but it seldom happens, and only ever on booting.

Adam Senior · 25 Feb 2006 at 23:39

all i can see mostly from these posts is that people who have faulty 360s keep gettin faulty 1s????mabye somthing to do with the way you have it set up ect???duno jst thinking outside the box

Werewolf · 25 Feb 2006 at 23:49

already been suggested adam, and the way people keep their 360's seems to have no measure on how they cope (it doesn't seem to matter much if you lay it flat, or upright, if it's in a cabinet, or on the table, if the room is warm, or cold enough for the penguins)

PuncH · 26 Feb 2006 at 00:10

schnipps said:
The big worry is when these pass the 1 year mark, are we expected to fork out £ for failing machines left rignt and centre. Most are going to have to get the extended warranty.

if you don't have the extended warranty then yes. microsoft won't give out free replaces for machines that are out of warranty and rightly so.

Phil99 · 26 Feb 2006 at 00:21

PuncH said:
if you don't have the extended warranty then yes. microsoft won't give out free replaces for machines that are out of warranty and rightly so.

However if you can prove it was inherently faulty the retailer has to replace it as per the sales of goods act.

Q1. What is an inherent fault?

A fault present at the time of purchase. Examples are:
• an error in design so that a product is manufactured incorrectly
• an error in manufacturing where a faulty component was inserted.
The "fault" may not become apparent immediately but it was there at the time of sale and so the product was not of satisfactory standard.

Q2. Do I only have rights for 30 (or some other figure) days after purchase?

No. Depending on circumstances, you might be too late to have all your money back after this time, but the trader will still be liable for any breaches of contract, such as the goods being faulty. In fact, the trader could be liable to compensate you for up to six years.

http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/salegoodsact.htm

NokkonWud · 26 Feb 2006 at 02:28

Indeed, I believe it was VIRII who mentioned this before to have something replaced after a lot of years.

PuncH · 26 Feb 2006 at 09:02

Phil99 said:
However if you can prove it was inherently faulty the retailer has to replace it as per the sales of goods act.

yeah, good luck with that! it would be quicker to wait till the NEXT Gen!

lordrobs · 26 Feb 2006 at 10:24

PuncH said:
if you don't have the extended warranty then yes. microsoft won't give out free replaces for machines that are out of warranty and rightly so.

Why rightly so? At the end of the day products should be designed to last for an appropriate length of time. For a games console I would say that this should be AT LEAST 5 years.

The fact that so many are dieing they are basically holding a loaded gun to our heads and saying do you want to pay for the extended warrenty of play a few rounds of Russian Roulette.

At the end of the day we shouldn't be punished for Microsoft's mistakes.

If mine does die out of warrenty I will simply buy a PS3, If that is the case then Microsofts big idea of selling at a loss and making a profit on the games and accessories has bit them on the bum, and they would only have themselves to blame.

lordrobs · 26 Feb 2006 at 10:25

PuncH · 26 Feb 2006 at 14:48

lordrobs said:
Why rightly so? At the end of the day products should be designed to last for an appropriate length of time. For a games console I would say that this should be AT LEAST 5 years.

The fact that so many are dieing they are basically holding a loaded gun to our heads and saying do you want to pay for the extended warrenty of play a few rounds of Russian Roulette.

At the end of the day we shouldn't be punished for Microsoft's mistakes.

If mine does die out of warrenty I will simply buy a PS3, If that is the case then Microsofts big idea of selling at a loss and making a profit on the games and accessories has bit them on the bum, and they would only have themselves to blame.

Just because people seem to think as it's microsoft they can get a free meal ticket as it were, just because they have pots of cash.

But i'd be saying the same about the PS3 too. If that's goes wrong out of warranty people should have to buy another one. It's the same with any warrantied product.

I'm sure Microsoft haven't made dodgy 360's on purpose. There just seems to be so many going wrong because the first person to post on a forum such as this is someone who's machine is faulty. The vast majority of 360's are fine and people will be playing them rather than wasting their time posting to a forum so personally I think the number of faulty 360's seems a whole lot more than there actually are.

PS...yes, my 360 is fine but I'm on here because the wife is playing hexic

Phil99 · 26 Feb 2006 at 15:03

Just because people seem to think as it's microsoft they can get a free meal ticket as it were, just because they have pots of cash.

More like people expect a product to last for a reasonable length of time when spending money on something. I don't know about you but I would expect the working lifespan of a console to be more than 12 months.

They obviously aren't purposefully putting faulty products in to the market, but if there's a defect which causes them to fail after, for example, 15 months, why should it be the customer who has to pay for the replacement?

PuncH · 26 Feb 2006 at 15:42

Phil99 said:
More like people expect a product to last for a reasonable length of time when spending money on something. I don't know about you but I would expect the working lifespan of a console to be more than 12 months.

They obviously aren't purposefully putting faulty products in to the market, but if there's a defect which causes them to fail after, for example, 15 months, why should it be the customer who has to pay for the replacement?

Oh, I agree. It should last for years and years. All I'm saying is that if it does go wrong when out of warranty people would have to buy a new one. That's what I'd expect I would have to do as I haven't taken out the extended warranty (I never do, waste of money).

If there was a defect that causes them to fail after 15 months, then you'd see a lot of 360's go wrong and I would imagine something would be done about it as that scenario is a little out of the ordinary. One for watchdog perhaps.

lordrobs · 26 Feb 2006 at 17:18

Any product needs to be designed to last an appropriate amount of time, what Microsoft can't do is say "oops, well we didn't make them duff on purpose... and at the end of the day we did offer an extended warrenty" That just isn't good enough.

The fact its Micosoft has nothing to do with it, its to do with it being an expensive piece of kit that shoul be designed to have a life cycle of many years.

Sagalout · 26 Feb 2006 at 17:56

12 month warranties are a bit of a myth. You are quite within your rights to demand a repair/replacement if something goes wrong after 12 months. Any product sold should last a "reasonable" amount of time. This is where the grey area comes in. 5 years would be pushing your luck but 18 months/ 2 years and by law you could demand that MS sort it out. 12 months is usually just the manufacturers warranty. You still have your statutory rights to purchase somehting that is fit for its purpose.