Second hand decent automatic for under 8K?

jaybee

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Can it be done? What sort of cars is one looking at? I know nothing much about autos. Asking for a friend who doesn't really want to buy new or lease, but just wants something older, but not too old. Preferable specs would be:

Automatic
Not older than 10 years
4 doors
Under 100k miles
Not previously written off
Hatchback preferable, or saloon. SUV possibly. No estate cars or coupes or MPVs.
"Not a massive car" but equally doesn't want a tiny fiat 500 type thing.
Petrol or Diesel fine but probably prefer petrol

Which of the above would most needed to be compromised to get something decent? Any ideas or advice?
 
jaybee said:
OK will suggest electric then and have a look. What happens when you drop 8.5K on an electric and the battery goes though? I guess that would be the concern.


12,000 a year
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Same as if the engine went bang on an 8k car. Scrap it and buy another
 
I'm going to ask a silly question. Sorry. Probably more for the EV thread but it's a long thread!
I'm so used to looking at mpg for economy of cars.... how does one work out the cost to run an EV easily when browsing? Is the answer that it isn't quick or easy and that I need to do maths based on my elec tariff and range of the EV? Is there not a ball park cost? Does each EV vary much like say a performance Tesla vs a Nissan Leaf?
 
Mpg is the miles per kw figure.

I average about 3.6 miles per kw on my Leaf. I only ever charge at home, over night and it costs me 7p per kw. Making it 1.944p per mile. You’ll have to be doing many hundreds of mpg to get a cost per mile that cheap.
 
jaybee said:
I'm going to ask a silly question. Sorry. Probably more for the EV thread but it's a long thread!
I'm so used to looking at mpg for economy of cars.... how does one work out the cost to run an EV easily when browsing? Is the answer that it isn't quick or easy and that I need to do maths based on my elec tariff and range of the EV? Is there not a ball park cost? Does each EV vary much like say a performance Tesla vs a Nissan Leaf?
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Depends entirely on how much your electricity costs you. You need to see what tariff you can get, e.g. Octopus Go, work out the pence/KWh, and then work out how much a full charge will cost. You can then work out p/mile cost if that’s what you’re after.

It isn’t as straight cut as fossil fuel cars since electricity costs can vary significantly. Someone with solar & battery can run a car far cheaper than someone with no home charging capability for example, and you have all the shades in between.
 
Yeah it looks like each EV you have to do the math based on your situation. I guess the most important factor then is the range per charge and the battery capacity?

The person I'm trying to help advise on what to get, they're probably just on standard electric tariff. They definitely don't and won't be getting solar. Let's say 25 pence per kilowatt.
From a quick google, it seems that the "typical 60kwh battery takes about 8 hours to charge" using a 7kwh charger. So 7x8 = 56kwh = 56 x £0.25 = £14 per full charge.
Let's say the range of the EV is 200 miles (don't know how common that is). Then they would need about 5 charges per month = £70

I think they are paying more like 2.5 times that a month currently in petrol.
 
jaybee said:
The person I'm trying to help advise on what to get, they're probably just on standard electric tariff.
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Well they can easily swap to Octopus Intelligent Go, and pay the same for peak rate but get 23:30 to 05:50 at 7p kWh. There are no tie ins and no fees for leaving should they not want to take advantage of the cheaper electricity.

jaybee said:
I guess the most important factor then is the range per charge and the battery capacity?
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Range is based on temperature, driving style, average speed, and load of the vehicle. I average 4.2 - 4.5 miles per kWh in the very cold weather, and in the summer its usually around 6 miles per kWh. Majority of driving is town, local A-roads and B-roads, if you are always on motorways doing 75MPH it will be less, obviously. However the OG Hyundai Ioniq is known for its efficiency, so most cars won't hit that, you are looking at 4mpkWh or less. The 28kWh version that I suggested is a very good car, as the pack chemistry is good, it charges (relatively) fast on a rapid, and is as said very efficient.

Good video based on the 38kWh, with some nice explanation for you.


28kWh version with 95k miles on zero deg on battery.

 
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jaybee said:
I'm going to ask a silly question. Sorry. Probably more for the EV thread but it's a long thread!
I'm so used to looking at mpg for economy of cars.... how does one work out the cost to run an EV easily when browsing? Is the answer that it isn't quick or easy and that I need to do maths based on my elec tariff and range of the EV? Is there not a ball park cost? Does each EV vary much like say a performance Tesla vs a Nissan Leaf?
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If they charge at home and don't travel more than say.... 200 miles in a single day that often, then the efficiency is largely irrelevant. Electricity is orders of magnitude cheaper than petrol. I haven't even been bothered to isolate my EV usage in my bills because on Octopus Go I pay like 8p a kWh.

jaybee said:
Yeah it looks like each EV you have to do the math based on your situation. I guess the most important factor then is the range per charge and the battery capacity?

The person I'm trying to help advise on what to get, they're probably just on standard electric tariff. They definitely don't and won't be getting solar. Let's say 25 pence per kilowatt.
From a quick google, it seems that the "typical 60kwh battery takes about 8 hours to charge" using a 7kwh charger. So 7x8 = 56kwh = 56 x £0.25 = £14 per full charge.
Let's say the range of the EV is 200 miles (don't know how common that is). Then they would need about 5 charges per month = £70

I think they are paying more like 2.5 times that a month currently in petrol.
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Anyone with an EV would be nuts not to tick the other tariff on Octopus and pay 8p/kWh.
 
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