Security System

Danger Phoenix · 25 Oct 2013 at 15:52

In our new property we are planning to install wireless IP cameras which monitor the outside of the house.

The property is 17m across by 10m back, so I was thinking 4 cameras in total. Two in the front pointing to the front centre, and two at the back pointing towards the rear centre. I am hoping that this will cover the fences and front and rear entrances.

The IP cameras would be hooked up to my Synology Surveillance Station, so the recording/management part is covered but I have no idea on what cameras to get. Any suggestions?

Danger Phoenix · 25 Oct 2013 at 20:44

RedvGreen said:
It is hard to portray this without coming across like a show-off, but in my profession we get to see and use a fair amount of hardware including IPCs. Avoid Wireless.

They are fairly easy to compromise, or at least to jam/disrupt. Always use Cat5/6 (ethernet). It is still possible to tap the line, but far more obvious and time consuming than wireless.

For a consumer, i'd opt for something like Y-Cams (nightvision external bullet) - run with Power over Ethernet from a midspan and you are laughing. Even if you just use Wireless functionality, you will still have to route cables, so you are not saving anything by not using Cat5/6 - infact, the ethernet cabling is thinner than the power cable, so you will be saving weight/length/drill-hole/repair size too!

Power over ethernet? If all the cameras are on a switch (HP Procurve 1810-24G) will that be alright?

Danger Phoenix · 26 Oct 2013 at 15:15

Would this serve as a midspan:
http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?categoryid=233&model=TL-SG1008PE

I would then connect this to the existing switch, and then all the cameras to this. I know I only plan for 4 cameras, but I may want more in the future so just planning for that.

Danger Phoenix · 26 Oct 2013 at 15:23

RedvGreen said:
That would suffice too - I was of the belief that you already had a switch that you wished to use!

I did, but I did some Googling and I don't think the one I have supports PoE so I would need something else that would.

Any recommendations on a midspan with 8 ports?

Danger Phoenix · 28 Oct 2013 at 19:23

I had a look at the Y-Cams and although they look amazing, they are a little out of our budget. Are there any others you would recommend which are cheaper?

Danger Phoenix · 30 Oct 2013 at 00:45

bitslice said:
Why are the cameras pointing back at the house, what is to stop someone walking up behind the camera and cutting the wire?

Apologies if I wasn't clear, I meant at the back as in at the back of the house to cover the rear garden and fence lines.

Danger Phoenix · 30 Oct 2013 at 15:15

bitslice said:
So attached to the house then? Was confused by the wireless request.
Tbh fixed wired cameras would be cheaper, you have to run power regardless so run some coax as well (this can be done in the roof space). A 12v fused CCTV PSU box would be a bit more reliable than the power adapters the cameras come with.

Is PoE not a viable solution? From what RedvGreen was advising, it sounds like a good solution to me.

Danger Phoenix · 9 Nov 2013 at 17:09

The Merit Lilin ones do look good and they are quite a bit cheaper than the Y-Cams. Do you have any recommendations on their dome versions?

Danger Phoenix · 9 Nov 2013 at 23:06

Duke said:
Have you had problems in the past? Seems a bit ott to put cameras up straight away?

Haven't actually lived there yet, lol

Since we are getting the whole place done up, just want to get all the wiring etc done and not have to worry about it in the future.

Danger Phoenix · 10 Nov 2013 at 16:25

Insomniak said:
I found out about Merrit Lilin on the Synology forums where they were highly recommended. I haven't got any experience of the dome cameras but I know you can get a HD Dome for £110+vat. The camera I've got works great with SS although it wont work with the latest patch for some reason.
Heres a link to the Synology discussion but looking at the last reply you may have already found it.
http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=68688

Indeed I have

What do you mean by "it won't work with the latest patch"?

Danger Phoenix · 10 Nov 2013 at 22:26

Insomniak said:
I received a notification that an update was available for SS so I installed it. After installation i got no video feed from the camera so I had to roll back to the previous version to get it to work again. This took we a while to sus out but I got there in the end.

I read on the forums that it did this for many people. However, if you install the latest beta SS it fixes it.

Danger Phoenix · 19 Nov 2013 at 23:30

So I took the plunge and ordered 8 x LR7022

Danger Phoenix · 21 Nov 2013 at 20:10

Insomniak said:
You will be very happy with them I'm sure. Thats one hell of a system with 8 cameras. Let us know how you get on with them. Just remember not to update SS. I'm running mine fine with version 6.0-2713.

I have SS 6.1-2909 and the cameras work fine with it