Shipping Internationally

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hi all

just wondering if anyone here has shipped something abroad or vice-versa.

i heard that if your mark it as a "gift" you can sometimes avoid tax/vat?

if this is true id like to try it out for my self as i have a relative over in the US.

how much did the shipping cost you if youve tried it,and did you have any troubles with anything/anyone?

thanks
 
As far as I'm aware there's quite a small limit to the value that you can claim as a gift so if you're shipping high value items (which seems to be the case if you're trying to illegally avoid the tax you would need to pay). Consequence of this is that if it gets damaged or lost you can only claim upto the gift limit.
 
The gift limit is £35.

You could under declare the value however you'll be under insured and Customs could still catch it if they think it's worth more.
 
£35 is the limit for a gift.

If you mark something as a gift and it goes missing and it's much more expensive, you can't claim for more than £35.

Also, customs are quite wise to people doing this and they may inspect the item and will still charge for import tax at full value.
 
the other conequence of trying to dodge customs is that if found out you, the seller face up to £10,000 fine I believe.

i often get asked to mark values down or send as gift, I tell them it's illegal and I'm not going to do that...
 
ouch,£10,000?no thanks
how much would i have to pay in total if the value of the item is £140?
if its not that high i guess paying it is a safer route
 
ouch,£10,000?no thanks
how much would i have to pay in total if the value of the item is £140?
if its not that high i guess paying it is a safer route

If shipping the normal methed (by default DDU), the recipient has to pay the duty...

this varies depending on what the countrys duty rates are... (typically 8 to 20% of the total value)

There is another method where you pay the duty up front, but I wouldn't go that route as too complex
 
One other thing I forgot is if this item is not being sold, and truly a gift I didn't think there were limits... but you still need to state the value for insurance purposes.

I ship stuff all the time if fairly small by Royal Mail Airsure, which is fully trackable... if it's a bigger item your better using UPS or similar, but they are quite expensive.

If using Airsure you can specify insurance value when you are at the PO, not sure what max is though, if value under £270 the customs form isn't very detailed, they provide this also for you
 
well i just got a quote from the ups website and it comes to around £60 and im not sure if thats including tax/vat,customs and duty. i always thought that buying from US is cheaper untill shipping cost comes in. i was planning on buying pc components there but i guess buying from ocuk or other etailers turns out to be cheaper with free shipping :D
thanks for all the help i got
 
well i just got a quote from the ups website and it comes to around £60 and im not sure if thats including tax/vat,customs and duty. i always thought that buying from US is cheaper untill shipping cost comes in. i was planning on buying pc components there but i guess buying from ocuk or other etailers turns out to be cheaper with free shipping :D
thanks for all the help i got

That will be shipping cost (not even sure if includes VAT on carriage). Buying locally for large, expensive things will nearly always be cheaper, because OcUK can buy in bulk which will reduce carriage cost per unit.
 
yeah,
but i wonder if ocuk could sell some 2gb ddr3 sticks instead of the 2x2gb sticks as i dont really need 4gb and want to save some cash
 
One other thing I forgot is if this item is not being sold, and truly a gift I didn't think there were limits... but you still need to state the value for insurance purposes.

They will usually charge you based on the insured value of the item.

For example, I've sent a harddrive back and forth to the US a few times. Even though it's marked down as a harddrive, containing data and isn't a new product or anything for sale, they still levy customs charges on it.
 
I've had items come through as either Commercial Sample, or my current "favourite" of "Warranty Return"

"Warranty Return" works less well if you're not sending it to/from a business address, though! ;)
 
If it is liable for duty/VAT you will also have to pay parcelfarce again to receive the item. Usually £12.
Disgraceful, legalised theft.
 
If it is liable for duty/VAT you will also have to pay parcelfarce again to receive the item. Usually £12.
Disgraceful, legalised theft.

You could try arranging to clear it yourself instead of "allowing" the courier to use their deferment account.
It's not really viable for most people though, especially not private individuals. Do you have access to CHIEF?

More information here:
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/paying-tax.htm

From the Parcelforce Website:

If we receive a parcel from overseas for import customers, we will pay any Customs duties and taxes on their behalf to HMRC. However, we will require payment for this, together with our Customs clearance fee, before the parcel can be delivered to them. Parcelforce Worldwide charges a Customs clearance fee which helps cover the cost of additional handling, administration, collection of monies and provision of facilities for Customs clearance of packages.

We have two levels of clearance fee for import parcels. There is a charge of £13.50 for express parcels imported through the EMS (i.e. International Datapost equivalent) and GLS (i.e. Euro 48 equivalent) networks and also for high value standard parcels (valued at over €1000). For all other import parcels, an £8 charge will apply.

These clearance charges are only applied if a duty or tax is payable on the parcel.


TNT say:
8.3 Any customs duties, taxes (including but not limited to VAT if applicable), penalties, storage charges or other expenses we incur as a result of the actions of customs or other governmental authorities or your failure and/or the receiver's failure to provide proper documentation and/or to obtain the required licence or permit will be charged to you or the receiver of the shipment. In the event that we decide to charge the receiver and the receiver refuses to pay the incurred charges you agree to pay them to us together with our fee for the administration involved as well as any extra costs we will incur. Upon our first request you will provide a proper guarantee for any of the duties, taxes, penalties, storage charges or any other expenses set out in this condition.

DHL say:
How are the charges paid?
We will not be able to deliver your goods to you until we have paid the Duty and VAT charges on your behalf. Some businesses have their own accounts with HM Customs and Excise and we merely arrange for their account to be directly debited by Customs. Many other importers, particularly private consumers do not have an account with Customs. We must therefore pay the charges on your behalf before we can deliver your goods to you. We will then invoice you for the Duty and VAT we have paid over on your behalf. A small administration fee will be added to the Duty and VAT invoice we send you.

You get the picture
 
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They will usually charge you based on the insured value of the item.

For example, I've sent a harddrive back and forth to the US a few times. Even though it's marked down as a harddrive, containing data and isn't a new product or anything for sale, they still levy customs charges on it.
Why is it going back and forth? If it's temporary export or warranty issues you should not be paying duty each time - but that's up to you to sort out, if you don't advise the shipping company they will have to assume the consignment is a permanent export.

INCOterms are your friend, use them!
 
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