Short Throw Full HD Projector?

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Hi all,

I'm tempted to convert the loft into a cinema room.

I've measured the room and reckon the largest screen I can fit would be 2m wide x 1m tall, which would be suitable for 1920 x 1080, right? The bottom of the screen / image would be 20 cm from the ground at this size. The image would need to be smaller if it was placed higher, as the sloping roof limits the image at the top.

The room is only 3m long.

Using this calculator - https://www.optoma.co.uk/projector-distance-calculator - it seems that standard projectors would require about 3m to produce this image size.

However, since my wife and I would sometimes want to take the projector with us to do presentations, it would be good if it didn't need to be mounted at the back of the room from the ceiling.

In addition, since we also need to sit in front of it, I suspect we would block the projection.

This leads me to think about a short throw.

We could place it on a table in front of us and this also makes it easier to disconnect and take with us.

I guess my questions are:

1) Is a short-throw going to be suitable for also doing presentations in an office / hall environment? I guess the answer is yes, but the projector will need to sit near the screen.

2) Am I right in thinking 3000 lumens is a decent value for handling presentations in an office environment? I get the impression that this more than necessary for home cinema use.

3) Am I aiming too high with wanting Full HD (1080), 3D and 3000 lumens in a short throw for around £300?

4) Any recommendations or advice?

Many thanks!
 
I'll cut to the chase; £300 isn't enough to cover all those bases and end up with something worth owning.

The throw range doesn't have much effect on whether a projector can be used for presentations unless the throw distance is stupidly long. What is more important is screen size - i.e. how far you're spreading the available light - and the ambient light you're battling against. Two other important factors are what you're trying to show and to how many in your audience.

1080p has been around long enough now that there's a reasonable selection of budget projectors with Full HD 1080p chips on board. The ultra wide lens technology is well enough established too. There are gaming projectors that require a throw distance or less than half the screen width e.g. Optoma GT1070x will produce a 2m wide image at 1m throw distance. This projector is a 3000 ANSI machine and 3D capable, but the cost is £600.

On the 3D score, the budget projectors themselves are 3D compatible, but the emitter and glasses will be sold as optional extras.
 
Thanks guys.

I think I'd be looking at either the GT1080E, which gives me the 1080p, or the GT760, which gives me the 3D, but at only 1280 x 800 res.

I think the 1080 would be better, as I'll hardly be using the 3D.
 
If I go 3D, what glasses do I need? The same manufacturer as the projector? Or will any active ones do?

Can I also game in 3D in all games?

I currently have an nVidia 960m in my laptop, but that's probably a little under-powered.

Tempted with a 1060 laptop...
 
Honestly, it depends on the projector.

Home cinema projectors use active 3D. That means the glasses flicker in sync with a timing signal emitted by a plug in dongle connected to the projector. Unless you're spending a couple of grand or more on a projector, the dongle and a pair of glasses is usually sold as a starter kit; and since you want the dongle to definitely work, then the safest bet is to buy a new or a used starter kit to match the projector. After that, you can add extra glasses from 3rd party manufacturers.

Older 3D projectors used infra red for the timing signal. That worked perfectly fine except for two issues. First, IR needs a clear line of sight all the time between the emitter and all the glasses. Second, flooding the viewing room with IR from the emitter tended to have a signal jamming effect on some other IR controlled devices such as the AV amp and source players. That's why newer emitter/glasses kits switched to using a version of Bluetooth.

Before you ask, no, you can't buy a £3 Bluetooth dongle and plug it in to a USB port on the projector and expect it to work. It's not that kind of Bluetooth adapter in the emitter kit and the projector's USB ports (if it has them) aren't set up to do 3D in that way. Don't waste your time or money.


WRT gaming, I think it depends on the game and the capabilities of the source device.

3D signals come in three different versions. Top-Bottom (TB) and Side-by-Side (SBS) both squish two images to fit in to one 1920x1080p video frame. The display device takes care of unsquishing and displaying the images synced for left eye/right eye.The resolution is reduced per image, but the system doesn't require any extra bandwidth or a higher frame rate to display correctly.

The other version of 3D is called Frame Packing (FP). This is what Blu-ray uses. An ordinary Blu-ray film has 24 images per second. Frame Packing doubles the number of images for 3D. So instead of 24 frames per second you're getting 48, but its 24 left eye images and 24 right eye images. The projector takes care of displaying them correctly. Increasing the frame rate like this is well within the Blu-ray spec, but asking a PC to render twice the number of full HD Res frames to achieve 3D might put a strain on a low powered CPU and GPU combo. Check with the guys over on the PC gaming forum for more detail.


Final words, beware folk selling passive 3D glasses online. The passive system uses polarisation of the left/right eye images. This is built in to most 3D TVs but doesn't work with single lens projection. That means passive 3D glasses will not work with home cinema projectors. They do work in commercial cinemas though. :)
 
Haha - in the end I bit the bullet and got the Optoma GT5000+ in a sale.

Very happy! Just need to get the screen size *slightly* bigger - it's "only" 1.6m wide at the moment :D

Will buy a slightly shorter table to put it on. (I'm limited in the screen area on the wall due to the sloping roof - it's a loft conversion).
 
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