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Is there much out there now that could deal with, say Star Citizen at max settings on 4K, or should I be holding off till next gen to beef up my rig?
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Should I wait for next gen before I go 4k?
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Also currently in the "Star Citizen" conundrum.
I personally am going to wait for the next series of nvidia (or maybe ati) which is coming out end of this year to spring time (apprantly) which should be able to deal with star citizen pretty well!
Also going to be looking at haswell e or broadwell just depends on when broadwell comes out when compared to star citizen release date
p.s what have you bought so far
I personally am going to wait for the next series of nvidia (or maybe ati) which is coming out end of this year to spring time (apprantly) which should be able to deal with star citizen pretty well!
Also going to be looking at haswell e or broadwell just depends on when broadwell comes out when compared to star citizen release date
p.s what have you bought so far
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yes, not least because screens will be cheaper and better. I'm not precisely sure where the standards are at the moment screen connection wise but I would guess at some stage we'll get a dual display port screen that can (/crosses fingers) do 120hz.
For me I'll probably pick up one or two 14nm gpu's before getting a 4k screen, 18-24 months from now hopefully and by then we might even have (/crosses fingers, toes, penis?) OLED versions.
Feels like the wrong time to dump big money on a screen to me for a high end computer. I'd prefer 120hz and maybe some downsampling than higher res and down to 60hz again.
20nm gpu's aren't necessarily going to be great, not much power saving.
If you take a 250W 780ti and double the transistor count(the usual situation on a new process) you would also have 500W, a new process comes with usually 40-50% power saving, so this double transistor count usually would come back down towards 250W. 20nm is only going to be a 20-30% power drop meaning that 500W of transistors would only realistically drop to 350-400W. They could make a single gpu with that power usage, I don't actually care if they do I'm fine with that power usage under load as long as idle is sub 20W. But I'm not sure either Nvidia/AMD will make a single core burning that much power. 14nm is a year later and offers the rest of the power saving we normally get. So we might only see the 80% bump in performance from 780/290 at 16/14nm.
Realistically 16/14nm will be the process after 28nm that gives us the "normal" gain between processes generations. AMD/Nvidia could just make high power 20nm cards(as in 300w+), or they might stick with the 250-300W limit for single core, it's basically unclear at this point which way they'll go. I'm leaning more towards them releasing big but high power cards because the time since the last true generation upgrade has been so long.
We'll likely have some 28nm Maxwell's this year which won't be anything special, and a Maxwell on 20nm next year probably March-July. AMD, 20nm next year, when, no idea, more 28nm cards, possibly but doesn't really sound like it.
For me I'll probably pick up one or two 14nm gpu's before getting a 4k screen, 18-24 months from now hopefully and by then we might even have (/crosses fingers, toes, penis?) OLED versions.
Feels like the wrong time to dump big money on a screen to me for a high end computer. I'd prefer 120hz and maybe some downsampling than higher res and down to 60hz again.
20nm gpu's aren't necessarily going to be great, not much power saving.
If you take a 250W 780ti and double the transistor count(the usual situation on a new process) you would also have 500W, a new process comes with usually 40-50% power saving, so this double transistor count usually would come back down towards 250W. 20nm is only going to be a 20-30% power drop meaning that 500W of transistors would only realistically drop to 350-400W. They could make a single gpu with that power usage, I don't actually care if they do I'm fine with that power usage under load as long as idle is sub 20W. But I'm not sure either Nvidia/AMD will make a single core burning that much power. 14nm is a year later and offers the rest of the power saving we normally get. So we might only see the 80% bump in performance from 780/290 at 16/14nm.
Realistically 16/14nm will be the process after 28nm that gives us the "normal" gain between processes generations. AMD/Nvidia could just make high power 20nm cards(as in 300w+), or they might stick with the 250-300W limit for single core, it's basically unclear at this point which way they'll go. I'm leaning more towards them releasing big but high power cards because the time since the last true generation upgrade has been so long.
We'll likely have some 28nm Maxwell's this year which won't be anything special, and a Maxwell on 20nm next year probably March-July. AMD, 20nm next year, when, no idea, more 28nm cards, possibly but doesn't really sound like it.
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Also currently in the "Star Citizen" conundrum.
I personally am going to wait for the next series of nvidia (or maybe ati) which is coming out end of this year to spring time (apprantly) which should be able to deal with star citizen pretty well!
Also going to be looking at haswell e or broadwell just depends on when broadwell comes out when compared to star citizen release date
p.s what have you bought so far
I haven't got anything so far, just planning.
I think I will wait too. I want a 27-28 inch monitor. But instead of dropping big money on an early 4k screen, I may just get a regular LED screen for now to go with my 670, and just scrape through with that until the next gen are released.
Or would it be a false economy buying a monitor for £250 now and another one next year?
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Requirements for Star Citizen at 4k might not be that bad. The game looks gorgeous but space games do tend to have a lot of black on screen.
In terms of the monitor I've been tempted by the AOC 4K screen but there seem to be lots of changes coming in soon (G/Free sync, updated DP/HDMI ports) so I think you're better off waiting if you can.
In terms of the monitor I've been tempted by the AOC 4K screen but there seem to be lots of changes coming in soon (G/Free sync, updated DP/HDMI ports) so I think you're better off waiting if you can.