Should Wenger go? (Spoilers!)

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I think he should. anyone who thinks otherwise really is either a proper wenger fanboy or a united fan who loves beating the crap out of us.

seriously wenger has to go. no ifs or buts. Aint u lot seeing the match. where 6:1 down. 20mins to go in time of writing this. pathetic
 
me? im the guy who made a thread a few months ago asking him to be sacked. its u lot who laughed at me.

Even steve mclaren would have done a better job then wenger
 
Yes get rid, then watch you spend beyond your means, buy like harry for the sake of it and slip even further away while leaving yourself with a massive wage bill.

You won't realise how he has held you together until he's gone.

Then we can all have a laugh.

Wenger is the reason this team has fallen apart. have u not seen the freaking scoreline?

7:2 now. pathetic
 
He stayed with your team when you could have left and you saddled him with stadium debt, something he wasn't keen on. Now the going is a bit rough you all turn on him.

Your loyalty to the man makes me sick tbh.

You lot need to get in your heads how much money needs to be spent to keep you competing for titles and realise you don't have it other than a big splurge for one season. You cannot afford the wages that teams like city, chelsea and united have moved onto.

Your only hope is 4th, either you or Liverpool.

No manager is going to change that without the finances. Yet some idiotic fans what to bust your club.

The money from the flats is all but gone. You will sack wenger and bring in a manager throw money at him and realise your mistake.

Can't wait for the continued whinging then.

LOL your the only blind person who thinks that. ON your own pal.
 
Who can they get in that will be better? and why would they get money to spend if he hasn't?

Whoever you get in has to make do with what you got for 6 months. Who knows where you'll be by January.

Anyone who can realize this teams need a change.

Steve mclaren could do a better job then Wenger. Only a blind fool would still back wenger
 
sorry but the bucket stops with wenger. Yes we dont know what is going on behind the scenes but your telling me wenger is not to blame at all?

What about when Arsenal play teh wrong tactics and squad line up. is that the boards fault? no its wenger. Like today. As Gary neville and merson rightly said, you have like 8 players injured/suspended and lost two of your best players, why in hell are you playing open attacking football at old trafford?

Many managers would have sence and just try and play for the draw. Sometimes you need a plan B and you need to play for a draw.

Cant blame the board. thats all done to wenger mate. So to say wenger should stay is ludacrous. i think the reason why some want him to stay is so there own club can smack us 8:2.
 
I am an Arsenal fan and I think his eyes are a lot better than yours :)

Whoever comes in, if the board do not allow higher wages, you cannot get top talent and keep them, not now anyway. Too much rebuilding needs to be done, our rep is down and unless we pay like city (we cannot) new manager or not, won't make much difference.

People say Wenger has gone crazy. I think the board are in more control then we like to think. Wenger is not in my opinion being given the resources needed to compete. He and the board had a plan all those years ago, but that did not take into account Chelsea/City spending.

Anyway, not saying Wenger does not make mistakes or he is the best manager ever, but he in my opinion has done a great deal for us at Arsenal and continues to do so under the circumstances. If he leaves, I fear we will nor be a top 4 club for a long time.

Season is new yet. Today IMO is a one off. Shame it had to happen, as it will mess our confidence, but once we get a few wins (and we will) together, we will start climbing the table. Even if we do not finish in top 4, i still say Wenger should stay a few more years.


Sorry but like its been said before. please tell me how much it costs to have a plan B? to change tactics? to play players in their most useful role and to teach your defenders how to defend?

Nout. nothing. zero. Now please tell me this. Who's fault is it that we dont have a plan B, cant defend? cant change tactics? The boards fault? No sorry thats Wenger and al the coaches fault. Nothing to do with the board.

My point is that you need £££ to compete. Just about every team including swansa in the PL would NOT be smashed 8:2 at old trafford. exact words from Paul Merson.

You do realise a few years ago we HAD a great team with cesc, nasri, gallas, Adebayor, clichy,Toure. Those players played with eachother not long ago yet we still diddnt win nothing.

why? BECAUSE ITS NOT JUST ABOUT MONEY. why cant you and other blind wenger fanboys realize this! why do people constantly think its 100% down to £££ that where in this position! We had a great team 2/3 seasons ago and what did we win? why did we fail?

You blooming know why. No plan B, cant defend, cant change tactics. That is all because of Wenger!

Dont tell me Nasri and fab are useless playing this open style football and dont tell me gallas and toure are worse then kolselney and the other useless idiots in our backline because they simply are not.

At the end of the day teh reason why where in this mess is around 60/70% on wenger and teh restd own to ££. And this is ONLY in the assumption that the board doesnt want to spend. HOWEVER, if there is money available then its 100% wengers fault and i cant for the life of me understand why ANYONE would defend him.
 
Exactly players like Mata have no connection to our clubs. They have an agent talk to teams and see how much money if offered and chances of success. I'd be willing to bet Mata still wouldn't have gone to Arsenal even if they won the league and got to the CL final if Chelsea or City offered 50k+ per week more. On wages they cannot compete and without an owner willing to write off debt every week they never will be able to.

Exactly the same reasoning why Manu could keep hold of Rooney but not a Ronaldo. Ronaldo had no ties to this country, where as if Barca offered 250k for rooney per week he was never going to move to somewhere he couldn't order egg and chips for dinner ;)

He would never settle in a foreign country. Ronaldo though had got as united could afford. Doesn't his new contract finish on about half a million per week. United couldn't afford that.


But Mata is not on 200k. is on around 80-90k a week at chelsea.
 
i changed my mind about wenger. i will give him till end of the season to finish top 4 and i will be satisfied but next summer has to buy more players whilst keeping this team as it is and challenge and win the title and/or other trophies next season
 
Our (United) interest had to come from somewhere. theres no reason Arsenal couldnt bid on these players first. If stories are to be believed you could have had Jones, for example, if you had paid the extra cash. Jones ALREADY looks like good value despite being percieved as expensive at the time.

Every team can quote good signings they have made and missed out on i guess.

You beat us to Ramsay a couple of years ago, if that scenario came up now i wonder where he would have gone?

You beat us to rooney too
 
Marcotti is retweeting at the moment that Cesc said the board didn't want to sell, but Wenger convinced them to sell and lower the price. Not sure how legit the quotes are, but if true I take back what I said above and say Wenger was a bit of an idiot if this is the case. Fine, get rid of him, but don't lower the price.

Wengers a a idiot then if thats the case.
 
By all info we have available, Wenger had MORE than enough money for at least one of M'vila/Hazard, and went for neither, he may have had money for the both of them though we spent a surprisingly large amount once you add in Gervinho/AOC, its not far off 50mil, but we had circa 100mil available(and I think more than that, if you look at Arsenal's cash in hand we basically had 100mil+ on the books on top of that, it generates interest for the club and its not ideal to dip into it, but its there and a manager with Wenger's pull could loosen the purse strings a bit.

But you can see where Arsenal are, look at Cesc for Barca, he's been 10x more effective, playing the same football himself, because of the guys around him, thats how far Arsenal are from Barca now.

The info that Wenger got them to accept a lower offer is nuts, and another reason the delusional fool should be fired. I've said for a while, he's better than Iniesta, he's a better goal scorer than Xavi, and assister and very good defensively, in all the transfer that happened in the past 5 years, I'd ONLY place him below Ronaldo in value/quality of players who have moved and we should have been looking at 60mil for him. This rubbish about being worth less because only Barca offered, firstly, if we said he was for sale last year and put a 50-60mil price on his head when Barca had more money, we'd have got it, its as simple as that. Every single player there and the manager knows exactly how good he is. This isn't bringing home a friend, Guardiola knew when Cesc was 13 that he was going to be freaking epic in the future.

But we fannied around, let them spend their money on other players, if Barca knew 6 months ago Cesc could go for 60mil, I think they wouldn't have bought Sanchez and would have saved it all for Cesc.

We also could still have accepted a big offer from City, knowing Cesc wouldn't actually agree to go there, which would have forced Barca to offer more. We played it all wrong, and the main man to do that was again, Wenger.

he's STILL buying players that suit a 4-4-2, and still playing half of them out of position, and refusing to drop people who are consistantly useless for 70-80%+ of every single game, while refusing to play people on the bench who are always good.

ANYTHING is possible, but I think the chance of Wenger turning it around again at this stage is so so small that we have to cut our losses because every single transfer window he's commiting us to worse players, long term, on bigger and bigger wages, who simply aren't good enough.

How many times do we get screwed by him in transfers, offers 8mil for Jones, they ask 10, we miss out, offer 22mil for M'vila, they want 30, bet they would have taken 25, we miss out, could have got Hazard 3 years ago at half the cost, we miss out, could have got Ronaldo, we offer a few mil less, we miss out, over and over and over.

had we offered what, a total of 10mil extra on 3 of those guys, how much better would Arsenal have been and be now, for 10mil, but we can spend up to 15mil on AOC and Theo.


well said mate. cant believe wenger and co let fabregas go for peanuts. he is the best player wenger has ever let go. Im talking about current ability not past history/ability aka Thierry Henry. he left when he was going down hill. Fabregas left at his prime. stupid stupid wenger and the board. i do think its david dean who is really missed. he would have easily got us hazard and mvilla. And he probably would have convinced Fabregas to stay. Heck im begining to feel if david dean was still here we would have won something and fabregas wouldnt even be thinking of leaving us
 
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