Side Project: Turbo Charging the Spitfire! :D

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Right so im already planning ahead to next year and taking the car off the road again for the winter, there is no way im driving it in winter with the amount of salt and gritt they put on the roads here.

The current engine being built is at the limit of NA engineering for a spitfire infact most say im mental eeking this much performance out of it as it was never the most reliable bottom end. However that is only because the engine shouldnt go above 6k which in lies my problem, to get more power i need more revs which aint possible with the weak block.
Engine swaps are just too easy there is no fun in that, much better to do some extreme engineering.

So the answer. Turbo or supercharge. More torque more power same revs simple!

With the current engine specs im good to go bar fitting a lower compression head which isnt a massive problem, i have one here that just needs machined for my stainless valves which are in the new engine. I have computer controlled ignition which can handle boost, electric fuel pump etc. Forged pistons are being designed and should be available mid next year custom for me.

As far as i can see im going to need the following:

Custom inlet manifold
Custom Exhaust Manifold
Turbo
Blow Off Valve
Charge Cooler
Boost sensitive Fuel Regulator
Turbo spec carb (undecided maybe a 45 dellorto)
small water pump for the turbo.

But i know jack s*** about turbos, so wandering if peeps can help me out here what am i realistically gonna need.

It has only been done once before and that hasnt ever run but here is some pics of what the guy achieved:

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So come on guys help me become mental, as far as i can work out i cant fit too big a turbo or else i will just be driving on lag all the time.
 
Right...

Carbs - bike carbs are what you want. they will take up to 1 bar above atmo with no mods.

I'd go for a blower personally...

*n
 
like i said no engine swaps thats just boring.

as for bike carbs, i did look at them but it seems to complicate things when all the stuff is already available for webbers/dellortos off the shelf which would also lower the cost.
 
like i said no engine swaps thats just boring.

as for bike carbs, i did look at them but it seems to complicate things when all the stuff is already available for webbers/dellortos off the shelf which would also lower the cost.

You can pick the bike carbs up for 50 quid...show me a non-knackered 'traditional' carb setup which you can get for the same money which will take above-atmo pressure and flow as well...

*n
 
Right, initial thoughts are steel rods and stress relieving of the crank. Depending on the boost you are looking to run (don't be a mincer, anything less than 2 bar is for mincers if you building a fully custom engine) is a multi layer steel headgasket, and to increase the clamping force by having the block machined to accept long studs.

I know its nostalgic/keeps original looks etc, but I would seriously junk the carb(s) and go efi. You will be able to eek out the most power from fuel trim and spark advance, a good mapper should also prevent any melt down worries from lean running (barring mechanical failure of the fuel pump etc.) and once mapped it is virtually fit and forget. Carbs are just too much hassle when EFI is so much better. Not to mention the fuel saving if you can use closed loop lambda control.....:p:D A coil pack conversion is probably worth it as well to run a bigger spark gap without worrying about the spark being blown out by the charge.

I'm also sorry if I'm being a bit dense, but in the pics you have posted there is no cooling for the charge coming from the turbo. Unless you are planning to be a mincer (see above) is there really any point in getting custom bits and bobs fabricated if only 1-4 psi of boost is to be used (as IMO that's about the limit with no inter/charge cooler), and even then after a long period on the throttle the charge entering the cylinders will be pretty hot.

Pretty cool if you pull it off, but for the ball ache and cost involved accepting less power and staying NA or using a bit of gas ;) or an engine swap seem like the best option really.

Best of luck if you go for it.
 
I'm also sorry if I'm being a bit dense, but in the pics you have posted there is no cooling for the charge coming from the turbo. Unless you are planning to be a mincer (see above) is there really any point in getting custom bits and bobs fabricated if only 1-4 psi of boost is to be used (as IMO that's about the limit with no inter/charge cooler), and even then after a long period on the throttle the charge entering the cylinders will be pretty hot.

you can make plenty of power without a charge cooler.. i know a car that run about 30PSI with no cooler, on the exact same set up as in the photos except its not a spitfire

and if the engine has stock internals, then theres no point turboing it cos you will blow somthing up
but if its being rebulit with proper stuff then go for it and its gonna be well fun when you get it on boost and crap ya self!
 
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I doubt you'll ever see more than 130BHP - so in this instance, I wouldn't bother. I don't mean to sound negative but for the amount of work and extra complication, I just genuinely don't belive it's worth it with the Triumph 1500.

You'd get more fun out of an additional 25BHP nitrous shot and it'd probably be much more reliable - and cheaper - for when you needed it.
 
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lol the engine spec at the moment is gonna bring it up to 110bhp, i expect with a charger or blower i should be able to expect 140bhp.

The pics above are not my engine just some other guys attempt. The engine is being built with the propper bits and should be strong enough although as it has never been done before we will never know untill it is tried.

Bit confused as on some pics i have seen people compressing the air into the carbs others compressing the air fuel mixture which is it?

I love the negative attitudes, makes me more convinced to do it, dont do it cause its difficult! lol why take the easy route its boring.

As for the carb choice i was meaning for jetting linkages etc... i can get jetting etc off the shelf for a spit, prob with bike carbs.
 
Bit confused as on some pics i have seen people compressing the air into the carbs others compressing the air fuel mixture which is it?
Both are possible but compressing the air is much more popular. Some people construct carb boxes so as to completely enclose the carb in the pressurized environment so as to avoid blowing out seals.

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Both are possible but compressing the air is much more popular. Some people construct carb boxes so as to completely enclose the carb in the pressurized environment so as to avoid blowing out seals.

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If you're dead set on using carbs, use a Maestro turbo set up or go with bike carbs...anything else is a lot of hassle/grief.

*n
 
i know a very good source of dellorto turbo carbs who will supply me with one correctly jetted etc. Thinking about that at the moment.
 
Why not fit a gt6 engine and turbo that, that way you keep the essence of the spitire with more power! Wasnt the 1500 pretty bad as an overall engine?
 
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Why not fit a gt6 engine and turbo that, that way you keep the essence of the spitire with more power! Wasnt the 1500 pretty bad as an overall engine?

cos the 6 pot is very heavy. Some people don't like the drop in handling by having the 6 in front.
 
i know a very good source of dellorto turbo carbs who will supply me with one correctly jetted etc. Thinking about that at the moment.

My uncle and my sisters other half both used Lotus Esprit Dellortos on their turbo'd minis but they aren't at all easy to set up.

I love the negative attitudes, makes me more convinced to do it, dont do it cause its difficult! lol why take the easy route its boring.

Perhaps because the end result probably won't be worth the vast amount of effort expended? Given the Spitfires rather wayward handling, giving it turbo power delivery characteristics probably isn't the wisest idea (IMO obvioulsy). If you are only after 130bhp or so why not do an engine transplant? You could put a Zetec in there for (relatively) peanuts and end up with a strong, reliable and refined modern engine with plenty of torque spread over a wide RPM range.
 
Not trying to throw a spanner in the works, but do you think the 1500 is really upto taking a turbo? The bottom ends are a bit fragile as is? I guess if you have uprated the lot though it may be good for it.

As I don't know about the spitfire, but certainly my midget would require an uprated rear axle/diff to take that sort of power, I think it was orginally designed for a car with about 30bhp!

I would love to turbo my midget, but I think I am just going to stick with my current plan of making it lighter and running twin dellortos. I have a stage 2 head, with full balanced block, telescopic shocks and a triumph tune 4-2-1 exhaust. I have done the rocker feed and oil cooler mods to help the life span of the very top and bottom end.

The K-series conversion appeals to me in either 1.4 turbo or 1.8 NA form, but I currently don't have time or the money for the work involved.

Good luck anyway, I will watch with interest!
 
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