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I was watching videos of you know crazy people with there crazy computers 4 way titans and nitrogen cooled CPU'S etc. and from there as YouTube always does to me it escalated into me searching super computers used for mapping and AI systems etc...

I just pondered to myself we all hold a kind of processing SUPER computer organic in nature our brains...

I mean what is the computational power/processing power if it could be applied of the human brain??? after all it does sort out and make sense of massive amounts of information (pure speculation and discussion of course) and I don't know thousands or hundred of thousands of years time do you think we see organic supercomputers like our brains???

This is a open discussion for everyone it be interesting to know what people think?

and if you think this question was silly have mercy its 4.20am in morning lol...

Thanks for reading...
 
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I think it's unclear how a comparison could be made, because a human brain works quite differently to a computer. It's massively parallel on an epic scale, it's not binary and nobody is sure of many of the details of how it works. So we can, for example, get an idea of how much processing a computer would have to do to analyse a stream of images, but that doesn't necessarily match the processing a human brain does for sight. Any expression of the processing power of a human brain in terms of flops is a huge simplification made mainly as a soundbite for media release.

I think that computers with the same level of complexity as a human brain will be made at some point in the future, probably hundreds rather than thousands of years. I'm not sure that they'd be like our brains, though. The hardware might be there, but what about the software? Can humans ever make a mind, as opposed to a brain? I don't know.
 
Angilion your comment is interesting SWIM of mine was into shamanism and used to take hallucinogenic substances...

He reported to me that with some substances his thought of process slowed down to such an extent that he was simply seeing framed shot of single picture e.g. if he was in a room his brain will see say a TV remote control (processed through his eyes) and he see a snap shot of it in that state he didn't know what it was (the remote) or even who he was followed by another snapshot of another random object which his eyes picked up...

SWIM then reports after coming down off the substance his brain begins to speed up and as he puts it "everything comes back into sync or the frame rates pick up". after hearing this I speculated that the brains capacity probably works in a linear fashion with probably millions if not billions of strings of process say for sight and another for like the process and recognition of objects even emotions and the capacity to feel have string of process attached like many hyper threading cores... with the capacity of it slowing down...

regarding hardware I think there will be a stage where we will reach limitation on what "hardware" is capable of doing... and would look into organic means which will move away from anything we could possible think of long gone will be the days of binary...

I don't know I can only speculate but definitely interesting stuff...
 
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To be on the same stage of a human brains power, you would need to harness all the computers in the world as a massive neural network with no latency, Only then would you have something as fast as the human brain.

Though it would be terrible at tasks that involve lists :P
 
If there's one thing GD excels at it's science asking questions which even really, really clever people don't know the answer to.

This could be amazing.

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To be on the same stage of a human brains power, you would need to harness all the computers in the world as a massive neural network with no latency

Pre-emptively voting 5 stars for likely hilarity in thread.
 
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you would need to harness all the computers in the world as a massive neural network with no latency

hmm I still don't think it will match the power of a single brain I mean we can break this down... we might match it "maybe" that's a big maybe in terms of raw number crunching but the brain does more than compute is holds well "US" who we are as a personality as an individual how and by what means is that organised? HUGE memory capacity maybe or maybe were "built up" as in personality by the way the brain processes information and US are then a collection of experiences in some MASSIVE storage unit??....

I feel like this tread is going to have a lot of questions lol...
 
It depends on what way you see as powerful!
Computers will excel in some tasks, but in others - computes have nothing compared to a human brain.
 
Angilion your comment is interesting SWIM of mine was into shamanism and used to take hallucinogenic substances...

He reported to me that with some substances his thought of process slowed down to such an extent that he was simply seeing framed shot of single picture e.g. if he was in a room his brain will see say a TV remote control (processed through his eyes) and he see a snap shot of it in that state he didn't know what it was (the remote) or even who he was followed by another snapshot of another random object which his eyes picked up...

I have also had some fascinating and detailed discussions with someone who has taken hallucinogens. They told me about a variety of effects on processing the meaning of objects, including difficulty understanding what was being seen (although not the complete inability to do so that your acquaintance told you about) and the classic one of input data from one sense being processed through a second sense. They told me that they weren't at all bothered by any of this at the time, which is weird.

SWIM then reports after coming down off the substance his brain begins to speed up and as he puts it "everything comes back into sync or the frame rates pick up". after hearing this I speculated that the brains capacity probably works in a linear fashion with probably millions if not billions of strings of process say for sight and another for like the process and recognition of objects even emotions and the capacity to feel have string of process attached like many hyper threading cores... with the capacity of it slowing down...

This has been investigated to some extent by MRI scanning of brain activity. The commonly stated idea of different activities being strictly the province of specific parts of the brain is a very simplified view. For example, it's true that there is a section of the brain specifically involved in processing vision, but it's connected to the rest and there's a lot of interactivity. There's related activity in other parts of the brain. Interestingly, there have been some measurements of the amount of data carried by the optic nerves...and it appears to be nowhere near enough. It appears that a significant amount of what we think we see doesn't come from our eyes at all and is actually a creation of our minds filling in the gaps with an interpretation of what is probably there. This is supported by various illusions which rely on unexpected things that people won't see. We also don't see a whole image at a time - experiments show frequent and continuous flicking of vision from point to point, with eyesight turned off during the movements. We don't notice because our minds fill in, but most of the time we're not actually seeing anything. There are some fascinating experiments showing this by syncing changes in an image to eye movement. People very strongly tend to not notice the changes, even when they are big changes.

Some drugs can result in an unusual degree of focus on a single thing, so instead of your sense of vision flicking from thing to thing to thing so quickly that you're not aware of it, your sense of vision stays on one thing for a while before flicking to another one thing. Or perhaps the flick-flick-flick carries on as normal and you're still unaware of it, but the target remains the same for a considerable period of time rather than changing each time. Either way, that would result in the perception of a greatly slowed framerate, a perception which is not necessarily true.

I think it's not linear. We don't appear to process vision in terms of frames at all, more in terms of an ongoing gestalt of vision, memory and creation. Humans frequently "see" what isn't there and don't see what is there, because what we "see" is actually a creation of our own minds prompted by some visual data.

A classic experiment is shown here:

If you know people who haven't seen that video, you might find it interesting to show it to them without any context. When people don't know that it's an example of how humans don't see what's actually there, they usually don't see what's actually there. Knowing the context makes them more likely to see what's actually there, but it's still not a certainty. Try it yourself. Even though you know there's something else going on, you might still not see it (and it's not subtle, not subtle at all).

regarding hardware I think there will be a stage where we will reach limitation on what "hardware" is capable of doing... and would look into organic means which will move away from anything we could possible think of long gone will be the days of binary...

I don't think it will necessarily be organic in any sense of the word, but I think there could be radical changes in hardware. The problem wouldn't be hardware as such but programming it.

Say someone built a computer that was a simplified version of a brain. It has tens of billions of processors and tens of trillions of connections between them. The connections will change continuously depending on use and they radically affect the way the processors work. It's not binary.

So...how do you program that? Take a look at the processor usage for your own computer - even with only a handful of processor cores, in most situations they're not always used to capacity. Programming often simply isn't parallel enough. If it isn't parallel enough for 8 cores, or even 4 cores, how can we make it parallel enough for tens of billions of neurons? Even ignoring the massive effect of synapses, it's just not doable. It's not making a brain that's going to be the big problem. It's making a mind that's going to be the big problem. We can conceive of making a brain - it's a plausible extrapolation of existing hardware. We've no idea of how to make a mind.

I don't know I can only speculate but definitely interesting stuff...

Certainly is.
 
Conciousness and what goes on in the brain fascinates me, has also led to some interesting conversations with friends.

I believe hallucinogenic can unlock higher process of thought and its understanding what they do to the brain that will help us in solving how conciousness works. research DMT its a hallucinogenic drug but people who have had the opportunity to take it said the word "drug" is not even suitable to it as the word carries social baggage.

It appears that a significant amount of what we think we see doesn't come from our eyes at all and is actually a creation of our minds filling in the gaps with an interpretation of what is probably there.

This is interesting what you mentioned saw a documentary once cant remember the name now but i get it for you where a professor says that everything we see is our consciousness or brain mapping of what should be there... its like our thought laying a map to the netting of reality. so the actual reality may not be anything like we perceive it to be "our brain fills in the gaps"...
 
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http://www.humanbrainproject.eu/

May be of interest.

In short, we currently do not have the technology to replicate an "entire" human brain on a digital level, it simply can't be done. However, one interesting thing to consider is would we actually need to replicate the ENTIRE brain? The answer to that is a speculative "no", as large portions of our brain do things which are of no importance to conciousness, stuff like motor control etc.


Another thing to consider, which is a bit more bizarre is that conciousness in our brains "seems" to spontaneously occur at a certain stage in its development, there is a "tipping point" in the number of synaptic connections after which conciousness just "happens", what happens when we create a computer which the equivalent digital connections?

Another cool point is that as yet we don't have any way of measuring conciousness.
 
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I just pondered to myself we all hold a kind of processing SUPER computer organic in nature our brains...

Thanks for reading...

Each morning I carry two full cups of coffee upstairs. I do this without spilling them and without really thinking about what I am doing.

My brain is controlling a million fine motor movements, calculating where I will be and what position in 3D space I am occupying and what current state the cups are in (where, movement of liquid) as well as the environment around me.

Meanwhile I'm thinking about other things such as what work I have today. What I am planning on doing that evening.

Try getting a computer or robot to do that. Yes our brain is a super-computer.
 
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