Slave labour in prison

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37512356

so the BBC and others are reporting that slave labour is happening in Ukrainian prisons because if prisoners refuse to work they're put in solitary.




http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/prison-labor-in-america/406177/

yet we have the exact same happening in the USA and there is no calls from the BBC etc to call it slavery?

in the Americans case, here's the level of care being given to those with mental conditions who refuse work.

In a dated and time-stamped note in his chart, a registered nurse listed his vital signs as stable and said he was in no acute distress. At that point, however, the man had been dead for 10 hours. "That's indicative of the quality of care prisoners sometimes receive," Eber says. "I've seen a case where a nurse will document 'normal' exams a week or two after a patient has died, because they're being made up."
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The same thing happens in the UK too, doesn't it?

I'm strongly against this type of slave labour.

Just because you've done something that goes against society's preferences... doesn't make it OK to turn you into a slave... yet it's prevelant in many countries with a prison system.

I think UK prisoners are paid something like £0.50 per hour for the work they do... roughly comparable to the USA.

If prisoner's work to benefit the rest of the population after their incarceration... they should be paid the same as any other worker.

One could also consider that minimum - middle wage is also slave labour though, given that it's barely enough to buy the basics such as a roof over your head, food and water... the bare minimum that most slaves are entitled to in order to keep them productive.

Slavery hasn't been abolished... it's simply been turned into a socially acceptable system. It's abhorrent, yet most people are blind to the reality they live in.

Even the UK benefits system, despite being seen as "generous", even though when you include housing benefit it's actually more than 150% the minimum wage... is still considered generous... despite being barely enough to keep a roof over your head and pay bills... it's as if being able to eat **** food, let alone healthy food is seen as a privilege... even if such food is abundant.



It's interesting to take a look at the systems of other countries... I think it's Norway, although it may be another Scandinavian country... who prioritise true rehabilitation over punishment who see the lowest recidivism rate and highest post-imprisonment productivity rate of any country... perhaps they realise something that seems common sense to the intelligent amoungst us... that generally those who are forced into committing the majority of crime are just that... forced into doing so by the situations they've been put in... and giving them an alternative to support themselves preferentially by contributing to society is actually a beneficial (to all) way of removing most crimes from the equation.



This is one of the many reasons I was very disappointed by having to return to the UK for work... I don't want to be in a place that has such horrific human rights violations.


Unfortunately the people who see things for what they are in a system that's so skewed for profit... tend to be labelled as crazy for daring to think that there might be a better option.
 
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I guess it's just the case that no matter how equally deplorable these situations are, we don't openly criticise our allies.

Just look how we cosy to Saudi Arabia and only pay lip service to all their human rights abuses.
 
'If prisoner's work to benefit the rest of the population after their incarceration... they should be paid the same as any other worker.'

BUT any normal worker pays council tax rent food bill etc

'This is one of the many reasons I was very disappointed by having to return to the UK for work... I don't want to be in a place that has such horrific human rights violations.'

UK is hardly in the same league as say Tiananmen Square
 
Bring back chain gangs imo.

Get them out in the fields clearing ditches.

You are in jail for a reason.... Normally you have broken the laws of the land.

Cant do the time, dont do the crime. Its very very simple.
 
Prison is supposed to be punishment. I see nothing wrong with making the inmates useful, to be blunt. It's a way for them to contribute to society.
 
Yeah, far better they spend time doing something worthwhile than just sitting around for most of the day, then shanking each other in the bogs.
 
Yes prisoners should have proper rehabilitation & given support to stop them re-offending once outside, but at the same time prison is supposed to be a punishment.
 
Prison is the punishment, they shouldn't be in prison for punishment.

The wages were stupid, how can you rehabilitate a prisoner when a wing cleaner used to get £1.50 per day. Trying to explain the benefits of working in prison to a drug dealer who used to earn £1500 per day was akin to banging your head against a wall at times.
 
Yes they should do work but do you not think that if they get paid a reasonable wage that maybe they will rehabilitate less knowing they can send money to families back home. That would give them something to lose on the inside and make them more likely to behave?
 
Dave85 said:
Yes they should do work but do you not think that if they get paid a reasonable wage that maybe they will rehabilitate less knowing they can send money to families back home. That would give them something to lose on the inside and make them more likely to behave?
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Nice give them a payrise, so lets say after a 2 year stretch, say £2 a hour, 5hrs a day.
Leave prison heres a leaving present of £5000, do come again.

Some low paid workers would have to work 7 months for that amount of money and still pay bills buy food etc, hardly a deterrent in my book.
 
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SPG said:
Bring back chain gangs imo.

Get them out in the fields clearing ditches.

You are in jail for a reason.... Normally you have broken the laws of the land.

Cant do the time, dont do the crime. Its very very simple.
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They still use chain gangs in Florida to clean up the roads and streets.
 
lude1962 said:
Nice give them a payrise, so lets say after a 2 year stretch, say £2 a hour, 5hrs a day.
Leave prison heres a leaving present of £5000, do come again.

Some low paid workers wpuld have to work 7 months for that anount of money and still pay bills buy food etc, hardly a deterrent in my book.
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Give's them a strong incentive to behave in prison and serve the sentence rehabilitating or is that to progressive..
 
lude1962 said:
'If prisoner's work to benefit the rest of the population after their incarceration... they should be paid the same as any other worker.'

BUT any normal worker pays council tax rent food bill etc
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This, I'd be all for them being paid the same wage as someone not in prison would be paid doing the same, as long as the costs of them being there were taken out of their wages...
 
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