small old fan spaces...big new rads problem

atocp

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Hi there,

I currently have a thermaltake damier v5000a and as the website says i have:

Top - 80x80x25 mm fan
Front - 80x80x25 mm
Side Up - 90x90x25 mm
Side Down - 90x90x25 mm
Rear - 90x90x25 mm

The case looked fancy at the time, thats my excuse. I am going to have water cooling soon, so i am replacing the front 80mm fan with a silent one, for intake. However, to utillise the laws of physics, i am going to mount a radiator and fan on the top (inside) to suck air out, as well as one on the back for good measure. But the fans currently installed are 90mm or 80mm. Are there radiators out there for fans this size? Preferably good makes. Or can you you buy extension brackets that will allow an 120mm fan on a 120mm rad to be mounted to where there used to be a 80mm fan?

Thanks for the help on all the questions i've had lately.

Cheers,
atocp
 
i've just noticed from XSPC that they do mounting brackets to allow me to do the conversion. is it just better to do that and go for a bigger rad for performance?
 
Bear in mind if you mount it inside you'll need room for the 120mm rad and the bracket to convert it to an 80mm hole.

Also I assume you'll add a 120mm fan into the mix on the rad so that's going to take up even more space inside the case.

Also the air presure generated by a 120mm fan forcing air into a small hole could make a bit of noise, depending on how fast you get the fan going.
 
thanks oceaness,

the brackets i found were four metal 'legs' which extend the radiator out, so it wont create even a loose seal. would the extra air thats pushed out not just circulate around the case? i'll have 2 other silent extractor fans without radiators for the case air flow.

cheers,
atocp
 
Yeah the air will escape wherever it can and that's what could make a bit of noise.

I may be wrong it may not make the slightest bit of difference as I haven't actually tried mounting a 120mm fan to an 80mm hole but I would have thought the increased air pressure generated by using something like the item below may make it noiser than it would be if mounted to a 120mm hole.

Is this the sort of thing you are looking for:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-022-AK&groupid=701&catid=57&subcat=795&name=Akasa AK-M1812-4 80mm - 120mm Fan Adapter - UV Blue
 
why don't you spend the money more wisely and get a nice case and start from there?

That thermaltake is a moose and tbh if you're trying to mount it all on 80mm fan holes you're just making life difficult for the sake of an ugly case.

You don't need to spend much to get a decent watercooling case plus ultimately your results will be better because you can get one with better airflow/120mm fan holes that you don't need to mod etc etc etc.

And it won't ming harder than ming the merciless during the minging day celebrations on the planet of ming.
 
the item that would allow me to put in the larger fans doesn't force the air out like the plastic one you have suggested, instead just gives it some gentle persuasion on what direction it should be heading by using 4 metal legs to extend the radiator and fan out from the case wall.
i can find other websites that do them, but obviously cant link. they are xspc and not even their site shows them.

as for getting a new case? why go and spend some more money on a new £100 case or even more when that 100 quid allows me to go from 4gbram to 8gbram, or from 1 74gb raptor to 2 and use raid0.
i'd rather just not look at the case (which has grown on me) and benifit from a faster machine.
and i'll have you know, that the minging day celebrations on ming are a very nice time. we all have fun and parties and drink and dance. very enjoyable.


cheers,
atocp

incidentally, if you did happen to search for xspc 80mm you might perhaps find what im talking about. but i totally dont condone such searches.
 
You dont have to spend £100

My PC case can fit 4 80mm fans, a 120mm fan or a 140mm fan at the front.
It has a 360mm fan in the side and it can fit 2 80mm fans, a 120mm or a 140mm at the back.

It cost £38 and doesn't look bad either.
 
i hate peer pressure. sucks to be me right now, coz im probably gonna spend 50 quid more and get this case. i should probably post this in the case forum, but i've never heard of Apevia, do you happen to know what they are like?

why cant i seem to stand up for myself when it comes to buying electronics. next im gonna end up with a quad cpu server with 20tb of space and a direct link to the nsa.

cheers for the help tho, mucho appreciato.
atocp
 
Oh dear god. No! That case is excrement. Look, if you must - both Swiftech and Innovatek do 80mm radiators that can be used in series to make a decent sized radiator.

But £30 will get you an Akasa Zen that will take proper 120mm radiators.

Please buy a proper case, not some mild steel junk with blue flashing lights that will drive you nuts with it's high noise and poor cooling.

A good case will last you a very long time - certainly through several builds - so invest in a good one. Please!
 
excrement? thats a bit harsh. i wont be keeping the led's or the fans that are in it tho. they will be swapped out for better cooling, silent, non- led fans attached to radiators.
and you say:

Please buy a proper case, not some mild steel junk with blue flashing lights that will drive you nuts with it's high noise and poor cooling.

A good case will last you a very long time - certainly through several builds - so invest in a good one. Please!
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i have a "proper case" that is solid and exceptionally tought and heavy duty that i WAS going to use through several builds, but i was told to buy something that, wait for it...
...it won't ming harder than ming the merciless during the minging day celebrations on the planet of ming.
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i cant win.
 
I didn't mean to make you feel pressured lol, but any case worth it's weight should have 120mm fan holes. 120mm fans offer such an improvement in both CFM and (dB) over 80mm fans it's a wonder they still use them.

Apparantly OcUK did get my case in I just found it by accident. It's the same case but evidently they changed it a little as the pic is slightly different to mine colour wise.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...Black Midi Tower Gaming Case - Black (No PSU)

It doesn't come with any fans apart from the big ol' 360 on the side but in all honesty I havent bothered putting in front and rear fans, I cant see the point.

It's not the best case in the world but at only £32 you really cant go wrong :D
 
apparently im not allowed to get something with blue led's in it, that wouldn't be a proper case.
i think i'll just stay with the case i have at the moment and get some silent running 120mm fans to adapt on. the case will have two extractor fans as well as the exhaust fans on the new psu. that can take care of any airflow thrown back from the bigger fans.

cheers oceaness for the help and the advice, and saving me 50 quid.

atocp
 
Just relised but did your case actually come with the fans installed?

As some cases dont actually come with any fans and if you dont have any of those fans installed then the air will just sit in the case and get hotter and hotter.

Top - 80x80x25 mm fan
Front - 80x80x25 mm
Side Up - 90x90x25 mm
Side Down - 90x90x25 mm
Rear - 90x90x25 mm
 
In the very, very, very south of Ireland, if you stop and ask an old boy with a dog on a donkey how to get somewhere, he'll grin broadly and tell you 'Well, I wouldn't start from here if I was you" as if you'd never heard it before. And you have to laugh heartily and then he'll give you inch-perfect directions on how to get where you're going.

There is no easy way to say this, but your starting from the wrong place.

Matt100 and I don't have to look at the XSPC website to see their 80-120mm adapter kit. I've got one in the bottom aof a drawer somewhere (unused), and Matt100 wouldn't have to buy one as he'd just make his own, probably he'd smelt the metal himself too. Have you checked out his G70 in his sig? It's worth a look. I personally hate it as it's not my taste, but I do respect and admire the craftsmanship that went into it.

If you like the Thermaltake then don't act all embarrassed about it, strip it, and send it to a specialist to have the roof cut for the biggest radiator that will fit. From the link you posted you might get a PA120.2 in the roof if you're prepared to lose the USB ports or certainly a neatly fitted PA160.1.

What I was trying to get across to you though is that if you want to water-cool then either of those cases is the wrong one.

And yes, the Apevia is that bad. It's a £12 case in most markets, but the UK and US will pay extra for 'features' apparently, so we get it for £50. They saw us coming, obviously.
 
oceaness, yeah it came with the fans installed. but nothing hooked up as it runs through the thermaltake fan control unit, which is a right pain to setup. but i think i'll just sit with this one i've got and change it about.

WJA96, i looked at matt100's take on his water cooling case. i appreciate the idea of making it look good, green colour aside, and no doubt that thing performs amazingly well, but i doubt i have to room to custom the case i have. and i dont see the point in getting another case. i think for the time being i'll mount the radiators inside and get some constant running fans to get rid of the case air silently. im even looking into how well the pump performs in moving water higher or lower and mounting a seperate radiator unit on the shelf above. like matt100, i can craft what i need if i need to. but i'd really need to, to bother doing it. but i do appreciate the help and the advice, especially the advice on asking irishmen for directions. i feel i now have confidence in their orienteering skills to ask if im ever in that neck of the woods.

cheers,
atocp
 
the award for backhanded compliments to me definitely goes to this thread!!

look, do what you like, I did ponder who on earth bought stuff like those cases and its obviously you!

I was suggesting something more like THIS it's very classy, very well built, takes a 120mm rad in the front without modding (you can also put a thinner one on the back or mount a swiftech radbox on the rear 120mm fan and hang any size rad you like off the back, no modding again) and if you decide to stick with air you've got a cool well ventilated case that people won't rofl at!
 
matt100 said:
oh and Walt, Tom did the modding, I did the building/watercooling :)
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I know - he does most of mine too - by far the best way. I have seen you do your own stuff in the past though - remember the Aspire X-QPacks? Gordon Bennett, they were rubbish:D
 
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