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So, fella's. *Bulldozer*

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At this point it's all pretty much conjecture and guess work, but if you had to make a guess at the CPU prices of AMD's upcoming release what would you say ?

I'm currently undecided as to whether i should go to Sandy Bridge or wait to see what AMD has to offer. I'm mainly hoping that AMD will do what they did with the Phenom II's and massively undercut Intel's prices.

I'd love an 8 core CPU for £270. The question is, do you guys think it's possible ?
 
Six and eight core sandy bridge later this year, hmm sounds like the 17 2600k won't be in my board for long then. thats if its the same socket.
They might do away with the graphics chip to fit the extra cores in, or is this just on about ivy bridge/2011?
 
I just hope that the next gen of AMD CPU's get good and well featured motherboard support. Regardless of how capable the CPU might be it can be let down if the motherboards and chipset aren't up to that of Intel's equivalent for their CPU's.
 
Six and eight core sandy bridge later this year, hmm sounds like the 17 2600k won't be in my board for long then. thats if its the same socket.
They might do away with the graphics chip to fit the extra cores in, or is this just on about ivy bridge/2011?
The 6 and 8 core parts will be Socket R (LGA2011) using the X68 chipset if they're anything like the SB Xeon's, but they'll still be Sandy Bridge and not Ivy.
 
Dark_Angel please fix your signature. That red colour looks horrendous on the background colour of the OcUK forums. :D Oh wait I used red too. :(
 
The 6 and 8 core parts will be Socket R (LGA2011) using the X68 chipset if they're anything like the SB Xeon's, but they'll still be Sandy Bridge and not Ivy.

Though one of the issues, though potentially great for performance, will be quad channel memory, bandwidth through the roof no doubt but, doubling the trace routs of memory, and pinout of the chip = mucho expensiveness. Boards will be silly priced, potentially silly cost even compared to current x58 silly prices.

The tech radar "performance" idea's are, dodgey , the 50% faster is stated for essentially server duties. LIkewise Sandybridge in its main performance improvement area is transcoding/encoding, thing is its unlikely to be used for far reaching things.

Current gpu acceleration is much slower for transcoding/encoding, because its not so specific, programable thats what lends it to SO many things. Bulldozer first iteration I don't think has the same kind of specific encoder/decoder function, while gpu will bring it in future iterations, I don't know if they'll dedicate die space to a specific transcode engine. When you do hardware for specific acceleration it will be insanely fast, but highly limited, and you can't put in a new part of a core to accelerate EVERY single function.

Though as transistors get smaller we'll probably see more specific hardware acceleration for certain things from both camps.


That report makes it sound a little like Bulldozer's design allows 2 cores in a smaller space and to be almost as fast. But we're not talking that a module with 2 cores in, will be as 80% as fast as 2 phenom 2 cores.

The real magic from Bulldozer comes from the fact that the second interger core, which add's 80% performance of another single core, adds only 5% die space.

Intel has 6 and 8 cores coming the end of the year, but AMD has 16 core Bulldozer's coming next year, WELL before Intel has 16 core chips to compete with it.

Bulldozer and Ivy bridge are both going to offer silly performance, but Bulldozer should pretty much stomp all over Intel, with double the core numbers, in the midrange to lower high end space. Up to £300-350 maybe AMD should be insanely fast. 8core Bulldozers vs 4 core Sandy's, for about the same price, with cheaper mobo's.

I'm not sure when Bulldozer is getting a die on board, its not entirely clear right now but should bring insanely good chips. I wouldn't be surprised to see quad core Bulldozer(2 module) + gpu to replace Llano fairly quickly(in cpu terms, that means 2012). Might have to wait till 22nm for 8-16 core bulldozers with a gpu on die.
 
I assume from the above article that the bulldozer chips will be competitive with the Sandy Bridge until the end of the year when the 6 and 8 core Sandys come out. Are the 16 core Bulldozers actually 8 modules?
 
Bulldozer module [11] [12] consists of the following:

* up to 2048kB L2 cache inside each module (shared between the cores in a module)
* 16kB 4-way L1 data cache (way-predicted) per core and 2-way 64kB L1 instruction cache per module, one way for each of the two cores[13][14][15]
* Two dedicated integer cores
- each consist of 2 ALU and 2 AGU which are capable for total of 4 independent arithmetic or memory operations per clock per core
- duplicating integer schedulers and execution pipelines offers dedicated hardware to each of two threads which significantly increase performance in multithreaded integer applications
- second integer core increases Bulldozer module die by around 12%, which at chip level adds about 5% of total die space[16]
* Two symmetrical 128-bit FMAC (fused multiply-add (FMA) capability) Floating Point Pipelines per module that can be unified into one large 256-bit wide unit if one of integer cores dispatch AVX instruction and two symmetrical x87/MMX/SSE capable FPPs for backward compatibility with SSE2 non-optimized software


A 16-core processor design would feature eight of these modules,[6] but the operating system will see each module as two physical cores.

from wikipedia.

CPU clock of about 3.5GHz
 
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Yes, Bulldozer will be marketed as 2 cores = 1 module and their official statement is that 1 module is effectively 80% as powerful as 2 cores. I'm sure by the time Intel release their 8-core Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs, AMD will have 16-cores ready so no worries.

Price and overclockability are going to be the major factors that determine whether AMD can compete with Intel at the high end. I imagine their initial 8-core CPUs will be similar to the i7-2600K performance-wise but if they only overclock to 3.8 GHz then they're not exactly going to be worth it. They'd have to match the i5-2500K's price point if that was the case in order to be popular.
 
Wait, I'm confused, so if 1 module = 2 cores, and 1 module gives 80% performance of 2 cores, does that mean in terms of core power, Bulldozer is only 80% compared to whatever CPU AMD is comparing to?
 
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