Sochi 2020 Onwards ?

[kitfit1]

Following on from WADA's banning of Russia from hosting any major sporting events or flying the Russian flag at any major world sporting events, i wondered what's the view of F1 fans regarding Sochi for the next 4 years ?
The Russians will be appealing the ruling, but let's face it, they are banged to rights and i can't see the ruling being overturned.
The FIA is a signatory to WADA's code and in my view should honor that code, in other words inform all the drivers not to attend. F1 itself is not a signatory to the WADA of course and sees no problem holding the race.

 

[El_Watcher]

What happens if Kvyat were to get on the podium? Would they fly the Russian flag, as I can't see them using the Olympic flag used in the Olympics for the pseudo-Russian winners?

 

[The_Abyss]

Russian cheating was systemic and institutionalised, as were their attempts to cover it up. Of course F1 should drop Sochi.

However, this is F1. They’d run a race over a holocaust graveyard if there was enough money in it.

 

[kitfit1]

Russian cheating was systemic and institutionalised, as were their attempts to cover it up. Of course F1 should drop Sochi.

However, this is F1. They’d run a race over a holocaust graveyard if there was enough money in it.

I 100% agree with you. Once the Russian appeal is dismissed it's then up to the FIA to stand up and be counted. As they are a signatory to the WADA code of conduct and practice, it should be a matter of course to withdraw Sochi's F1 world ranking status for the next 4 years and FIA involvement and inform the drivers not to take part.
F1 itself has to then decide what to do with Sochi.
As F1 in Sochi is one of Putin's pet projects it will be a very large kick in the teeth to him and may well hurt his ego more than anything else that WADA has done.

 

[Greboth]

What would happen if F1 wants to race there but the FIA says no? Could they race there anyway but not as a championship round? Or if the FIA don’t sanction it does that mean they can’t race there at all?

 

[cuke2u]

I think you need to encourage those sport persons who don't use drugs to cheat and the race should be held to support that not all Russian competitors cheat. Not label them all..

 

[Dis86]

I think you need to encourage those sport persons who don't use drugs to cheat and the race should be held to support that not all Russian competitors cheat. Not label them all..

It was state sponsored and on a massive scale.

 

[cuke2u]

I know the facts, however much the Russian government sponsored and supported the cheaters motorsport was not one involved. Thus those sportpersons and events who aren't involved should not also be punished but encouraged to take part in their sport.

 

[kitfit1]

however much the Russian government sponsored and supported the cheaters motorsport was not one involved.

It really does not matter that motorsport wasn't involved, what does matter is that the FIA is signed up to the WADA. As such, the FIA should also back up and implement any and all of WADA's rulings.
No governing sports body can pick and choose what rulings they may or may not implement just because their sport is not involved in the cheating. When something this big happens, all sporting bodies need to stand up and be counted otherwise the WADA might as well disband and the corrupt cheaters will have won.

 

[Syla5]

I am surprised it wasnt said at the time, the FIA are not the ones who setup, promote, and run the event, the event organisers are Liberty Media. The China GP / Corona virus cancellation talks is bringing this up again. It isnt down to the FIA to cancel events unless it comes down to safety conditions of the venue and they can remove the sanctioning.

As for Kvyat, he just will run under a neutral flag, so if he does get on the podium it wont be the Russian flag flying.

 

[kitfit1]

I am surprised it wasnt said at the time, the FIA are not the ones who setup, promote, and run the event, the event organisers are Liberty Media. The China GP / Corona virus cancellation talks is bringing this up again. It isnt down to the FIA to cancel events unless it comes down to safety conditions of the venue and they can remove the sanctioning.

As for Kvyat, he just will run under a neutral flag, so if he does get on the podium it wont be the Russian flag flying.

Perhaps you have a basic misunderstanding of the FIA's and Liberty Media's role in this. Liberty Media can do as it wishes regardless of what WADA says. The FIA though cannot, because it is a fully signed up member of WADA and as such should implement in full any of WADA's rulings.
That in turn means that the FIA has an obligation under WADA's ruling to pull out of Sochi. Once the FIA do that, no F1 race could take place because the stewards, timming aperatus, scrutineering, ect simply won't be at the track. Even if Liberty Media held the race, the results won't count in either the constructors championship or the drivers championship because both are controlled by the FIA.

 

[james.miller]

I know the facts, however much the Russian government sponsored and supported the cheaters motorsport was not one involved. Thus those sportpersons and events who aren't involved should not also be punished but encouraged to take part in their sport.

It's a kick in the teeth for any Russians not involved for sure, but that's not anybody else's problem. Had this not been a case of cheating at such a massive scale, I'd be inclined to agree, but, that's not the case. Russia made its bed so now it can lay in it.

 

[Syla5]

Perhaps you have a basic misunderstanding of the FIA's and Liberty Media's role in this. Liberty Media can do as it wishes regardless of what WADA says. The FIA though cannot, because it is a fully signed up member of WADA and as such should implement in full any of WADA's rulings.
That in turn means that the FIA has an obligation under WADA's ruling to pull out of Sochi. Once the FIA do that, no F1 race could take place because the stewards, timming aperatus, scrutineering, ect simply won't be at the track. Even if Liberty Media held the race, the results won't count in either the constructors championship or the drivers championship because both are controlled by the FIA.

Then why is it that the decision about China is Liberty Media's and not the FIA's?

 

[kitfit1]

Then why is it that the decision about China is Liberty Media's and not the FIA's?

Because they would look stupid if they did run it, but if Liberty Media choose not to run china then the question is irrelevant. The FIA itself could decide not to run in China this year anyway to protect it's staff, if it did and Liberty Media run it anyway the same result would apply to my earlier reply.

 

[Syla5]

So @kitfit1 are you still so confident in your understanding of who will make the decision to cancel events, after the fiasco that has been the Aus GP cancelling. Pretty certain that the FIA alone aren’t going to be cancelling russia over a WADA ruling when millions of dollars are on the line.