Softroader Comparisons

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Doing some research now on softroaders, but reviews don't seem to really cover their 4wd/awd systems much and was wondering if anyone had come across any comparisons or reviews before.

Looking at things like

Nissan Qashqai/Dualis
VW Tiguan (I like this but boot seemed small)
Hyundai IX35
Kia Sportage (Same as IX35)

Then new Honda CRV coming out shortly.

No BMW/Audi/Merc as too expensive.

The larger full time 4x4 cars have poor rear seating for 4 adults, and I can count on one hand how many times I have used the low ratio gearbox at work, having no diff locks is a problem before you need low ratio. Its certainly something I wouldn't use in my own car, but 4wd/awd would be useful for dirt roads or slippy conditions. Otherwise I could consider Ford Ranger/Nissan Navara D40/Mitsubishi Triton, Hilux is way overpriced.
 
Went and had a sticky beak today.

Mazda cx5 seemed ok but a little expensive and don't expect it to be up to much off road, only 150mm ground clearance.

Toyotas Rav4 cruiser seemed quite good, pay a premium for it saying Toyota on the front but better residuals I expect.

Mitsubishi asx aspire, good specification, a little smaller perhaps than the others, new outlander on the way this month.

Checked out the Kuga, good looks and pretty big, the Trend model was keen on price, the top spec titanium not so much. Expect to be alright off road, not sure on the media system, Sony given them too much money I think to get their system in there. Only one USB input in the centre armrest.

VW Tiguan, still one of my favourites, looks to be face lifted and the new models are a little more than I wanted to spend, the MY12 are well priced. There was more legroom in the back for adults than almost all the others, smaller boot, but clever seats that slide forwards to increase space, or go fully flat. You can get optional HID lights which is a big plus. You have to run them on premium unleaded which is 20c a litre more expensive, not a deal breaker but I would have expected them to retune for Aus to allow you to use E10 unleaded.

Nissan Dualis, my girlfriends favourite, excellent spec as it would be top end model, CVT transmission, not too sure how this will drive compared to a manual. Little worried that with the weight of the car, only having a 2l engine with 100kw is enough power. No HID lights though :(



Also had a look at the ford ranger and Nissan Navara while I was at it, the rangers a little expensive as it is new out, the Navara seemed pretty good. Would need a dual cab, leg room not so good in the back, and would want to buy a canopy for the tray to keep things dry.
 
Are Great Walls available over there yet? Guy had one on a shoot last week it was quite good

They are available, but I would be the laughing stock at work for owning one, and I can't help but feel they won't be very safe in a crash, plus residuals are terrible. There is a reason why they are so cheap.

I won't buy a ssangyong, chery, Great Wall or anything along those lines.

Looked at the Subaru Xv and Forester, the boot was none existent on the Xv, not sure how they managed that really! Forester was ok but nothing special.

The refinement of the tradies utes I know about, driving a Hilux or Land Cruiser at work, the new Hiluxes are pretty good really, we have a few leggy ones which are showing their age with knackered shocks and tired bushes, the lower km ones and friends privately owned ones ride well. You seem to get USB input on the stereo as standard with Bluetooth and aircon which is all you really need on one. I imagine the Nissan and Fords are similar, the Hilux has quite a cost premium for no advantage, see a lot of navaras and tritons about now instead of them. No HID lights, but can fit an aftermarket ARB roo bar and spotlights down the line to one which wouldn't be an option on the smaller cars, hence wanting good standard lights.
 
Volvo, too expensive, seen as a premium brand, but VW isn't for some reason.

Went over to the next town who have a Dodge, Jeep and Skoda dealer, but this consisted of a porta cabin next to the Toyota dealers with a sign saying if nobody about comes see us next door.... :rolleyes:
 
Subaru Forester STi

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It's an import only, I had a look at the standard Forester, but it seemed pretty bland and middle of the road, not the largest boot either, had a weird floor which sloped to the back. The XV was the same.


The girlfriend likes the looks of the Toyota FJ Cruisers, pity the budget doesn't match! They have only been out a year, and one year old ones are up for sale at $40'000, when new ones are drive away no more to pay at $45750, makes no sense buying used and losing a year warranty!
 
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The newer forester is pretty bland but the STi is far from bland, and has @1700 litres of boot space with seats folded, and the floor is flat. about 700 litres with the seats up, how big do you need?

There is no other UK sold softroader that offers a driving experience of the STi, but if imports are out then fair do's.

450L according to the Subaru Australia website, which is more than I expected, but doesn't solve the problem of the floor sloping towards you!

The "new" Outlander is due out in a few weeks, will check it out then, should be lots bigger with better 4wd than the options I have looked at already, just depends on price. You can't buy Citroen over here and Peugeot would be a bit of a risk financially!
 
Mazda's CX-5 is better to drive though, Tiguan's better overall too if you can find one for a good price.

Had a drive of the new Honda CRV this morning, the 4wd versions are automatic only and only in 2.4 petrol engine here.

Not enough power for the car I thought, a bit noisy at higher speed, and the two screens in the dash was pointless.

I would have the satnav high up so you can see it, not in the dashboard where it isn't visible while driving. I would rather be able to see the satnav than know what radio station I am on. A moderately pushy sales technique with an accompanied test drive where the dealer drove the car for half the (short) distance didn't really sell it to me.

It does have some nice features like the seats which you can drop flat with one pull of a lever. Not bad, but not amazing, I don't think ill be buying one.

Went for a second look at a few others.

Still a big fan of the VW Tiguan, but not sure it is off-road enough to differentiate it from our Hyundai.

The boot isn't that big, but this is offset by excellent rear seats, you can actually fit a 6 foot or above adult in them comfortably.
Not driven it yet, but imagine it to be very good, both auto and manuals available and a decent amount of power, xenon headlights optional.
Only downside, im pretty sure you have to run them on SUL due to them being the TSI engines, which is pretty expensive and not available everywhere in the country.

Had another look at the Ford Kuga, excellent engine with plenty of power, but small rear seats.

Nissan Dualis
4x4 was another that we looked at, overall good but only a 2.0L engine, pretty gutless when you consider the size of the car. Plus it has been out for a long time now.


Had a drive of a curve ball at Toyota, the fairly recently released FJ Cruiser (has been available in America for several years), proper off roader, based on the Prado, but chunkier, slightly smaller and not as refined. The rear seats aren't massive, but the boot was pretty big. Good standard specification. Automatic only, but a good 4.0L V6 so plenty of power, less messing around with gears that the smaller engines struggle with. Comes with low/high range 4wd and a lockable rear differential.

Dealer was good, we went in last weekend, gave me a couple of follow up calls which imo was a bit much but wasn't massively pushy. They have an ex demo car which they want to sell so are obviously keen to do so. Once I told them that I would rather pay the extra $2000 or so and just have a new one they didn't mention it again. Arranged to drive the car this morning, when we went in the guy was busy and a junior saw us, got an unaccompanied test drive for as long as we wanted which was much better than Honda.

No HID headlights, but with a car such as this there are a lot of aftermarket parts available, so fitting spotties wouldn't be a problem.

Little hard to see the front left corner of the car, as the dashboard has 3 "pods" that display information, these block your vision slightly of that side. Handling was average on road, but excellent on dirt roads, the corrugations which usually cause the car to shake to bits were barely noticeable.

Just comes down to price.... more than I wanted to spend really, limited time on the market so not many used available and the saving offered by buying used doesn't outweigh the reduced warranty and the older models don't have NAV.


I'll procrastinate for a few more months yet, at the moment I would buy a used Tiguan in the spec I want, full leather with xenons for mid to low 30k, but my girlfriend prefers the FJ....
 
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