Sorry, another ADSL Max Question, but really quick...

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.... sorry, we should have a sticky about this :p

But how to I get it?????

SamKnows says this,

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Good news? I'm on the 512Kbps service so how do I get 3Mbps! :)

Oh, and is that distance far from the exchange? Or is that about the norm?

Thanks!!
 
If you wanted to go onto Max, you need to talk to your ISP.

Funnily enough, distance from the exchange varies from house to house ;) You can pretty much ignore that 2.6km they quote as they're talking straight line distance which will bare little or no resemblance to the router that the cable actually takes.
 
With those results it isn't certain that you will benefit from Max, but it is at least possible.

I may be wrong, but I believe that BT Retail are not willing to regrade people with results like yours to Max due to the risk of poor performance, but a lot of other ISPs will do it anyway.

Don't assume that 3Mb is a certaintly but if you go into this with the view that any improvement will be a good thing then you may not be dissapointed.

If you can pst the line stats from your router we could give you a better idea of the chance of an improvement.
 
I have a 6.3km line and am syncing at almost 4mbit, i'd put money on you getting at least this if you get a decent router.
 
Thanks peeps,

Any speed increase would be an improvement. We've moved house and I used to get 2Mb! Now I'm on 512kbps. :( So even 1Mb would be welcome!

My stats from the modem.... are NOT good, I'm currently in talks with my ISP in trying to get a new line put into the house as I have lots of errors (see below) and it is affecting my service which I am receiving. Hopefully a new line will solve the high line attenuation.

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Rx Total Error Counts
7906

LOS Errors
14

DS Line Attenuation
56
US Line Attenuation
63
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What are you noise margins up and down at a 576k sync mate? Thats the real line quality figure that would enable anyone to guestimate a proper maxdsl sync rate for you :)

That upstream attenuation looks huge though, even on my huge line with 60db down, my upstream is only 30db :confused:
 
sr4470 said:
Must be just ADSL2 then...
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I live right right out in the sticks mate, hence my huge overhead line, ADSL2 is years off i'd very much imagine, so ive no idea about it! :)
 
Jez said:
What are you noise margins up and down at a 576k sync mate? Thats the real line quality figure that would enable anyone to guestimate a proper maxdsl sync rate for you :)

That upstream attenuation looks huge though, even on my huge line with 60db down, my upstream is only 30db :confused:
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Mine is closer to 50 and I'm 3.6km away...
 
Data rate 3864 448

Noise margin 4.3 15.0

Output power 17.9 12.1

Attenuation 60.0 31.5

Very strange that yours would be so high, my figures pretty much agree with the BT engineers
 
Sorry, I'm confused.... :p My stats, what do they mean? :o

Here's everything,

Connection Status Connected
Upstream Rate (Kbps) 288
Downstream Rate (Kbps) 576
US Margin 22
DS Margin 12
Modulation GDMT
LOS Errors 14
DS Line Attenuation 56
US Line Attenuation 63
Path Mode Fast Path

 
Eeek, thats quite a bad line! I'd have thought you'd be looking at maybe 1.5mbit, but you'd need a router with a decent chipset such as a belkin 7633
 
Jez said:
Eeek, thats quite a bad line! I'd have thought you'd be looking at maybe 1.5mbit, but you'd need a router with a decent chipset such as a belkin 7633
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:( See that's what I was not wanting to hear, although I knew it deep down. Do you think I need a new line putting in. I live (not out in the sticks, but a little out of town) and the house is quite old. Would a new line help?

Thanks btw! ;)
 
I doubt you'd ever get BT to install a fresh line for you mate, unless you literally cut it up and pulled it down so that they HAD to replace it in order to provide service.

If you order a new line the normal way BT will simply activate another pair in the existing cable to your house.

What router/modem are those stats coming from btw, different chipsets report stats at different levels, for example a very cheap router which i was using before max reported my DS margin as 12db @ 1152, i change it for a 7633 which reported 22db at the same sync, and allows me almost double the sync rate on max as the cheap one does (cheap sync's at 2.2, belkin with tweaks at almost 4)
 
Jez said:
I doubt you'd ever get BT to install a fresh line for you mate, unless you literally cut it up and pulled it down so that they HAD to replace it in order to provide service.

If you order a new line the normal way BT will simply activate another pair in the existing cable to your house.

What router/modem are those stats coming from btw, different chipsets report stats at different levels, for example a very cheap router which i was using before max reported my DS margin as 12db @ 1152, i change it for a 7633 which reported 22db at the same sync, and allows me almost double the sync rate on max as the cheap one does (cheap sync's at 2.2, belkin with tweaks at almost 4)
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The router is a DLink DI-624 and the ADSL Modem (which reports the stats) is the DSL-300T.

I must say, I have had bother with them since getting them awhile back now, I've never seemed to like them, especially the modem as there hasn't been a firmware released in like 3 years time.

I was looking at purchasing the new Netgear DG834N 300Mbps Rangemax NEXT Wireless ADSL2+ Modem/Router/Switch/Firewall too see if that helps.

Any suggestions mate? My dad was just saying actually, there is a regulator body kinda thing who you can go to if your not happy and they'll get in touch with BT, etc. Perhaps that's worth a shot?

EDIT: Oh, btw with regards to the dB rating. Is higher better?

Thanks.
 
I really wouldnt know mate, ive never had too much bother with BT, always just accepted my lines as is as ive never been fortunate enough to have one thats any good :D

As far as routers go if you can get a belkin 7633 v1001 then go for that, the newer v1144's are useless as they are all locked down. These contain a rather excellent broadcom chipset which allows for overiding the DSLAM's set noise margin for your line so you can play about yourself with sync speeds rather than letting bt do it. I know that there are a couple of other which share this chipset one being an 834GT netgear, but overall none are renound for being quite as good. There is a noise margin tweak available for the latest range of thompson routers too.

Billion's latest offering is supposed to be great too according to a guy i chat to about dsl things on msn, he knows his stuff dsl wise so i'd trust that choice too.

If you are considering max on a dodgy line like yours and mine the router is VERY important indeed, as i say changing and tweaking has almost doubled my sync rate.


edit: stat wise you want the highest noise margin possible on a fixed rate line, it falls with higher sync's, but lines will fail if it gets too low, so its getting the balance right. I can sync at over 4mbit with an SNR of about 2, but thats not stable, so i upped my target noise margin to about 4-5 which stays stable, but at a lower sync, you get the idea :)
 
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Jez said:
I really wouldnt know mate, ive never had too much bother with BT, always just accepted my lines as is as ive never been fortunate enough to have one thats any good :D

As far as routers go if you can get a belkin 7633 v1001 then go for that, the newer v1144's are useless as they are all locked down. These contain a rather excellent broadcom chipset which allows for overiding the DSLAM's set noise margin for your line so you can play about yourself with sync speeds rather than letting bt do it. I know that there are a couple of other which share this chipset one being an 834GT netgear, but overall none are renound for being quite as good. There is a noise margin tweak available for the latest range of thompson routers too.

Billion's latest offering is supposed to be great too according to a guy i chat to about dsl things on msn, he knows his stuff dsl wise so i'd trust that choice too.

If you are considering max on a dodgy line like yours and mine the router is VERY important indeed, as i say changing and tweaking has almost doubled my sync rate.
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Nice one mate, so basically try and get a new(er) router with a decent chipset and also get onto BT still in the meantime to try and get my line sorted. With regards to the above, can you explain some stuff really quickly for me.

Noise margin and sync. speed/rate. What's all that then? :o Do you basically aim to try and get a larger margin to play with so that you can run at the quicker speed?

I noticed you mentioned a Netgear product then, would the latest one have a good chipset or is there no way to know yet? I shall check out the Billion kit though that you have mentioned.

Cheers! :D
 
See my edit above, basically if your line got max enabled, with only 12db to play with you arnt going to be able to sync an awfully lot higher, as i said earlier mine was 22db at a 1152 sync, this dropped off to 4-5db by the time i got as high as 3.6-3.7mbit. 4 is just doable at 2db, but as your margin will fluctuate throughout the day as noise occurs, it just falls too low and cuts off all the time.
 
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