Soundbar or 5.1 upgrade?

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I have a really old, (prolly circa 2009), 5.1 Sony surround system with infrared rear speakers and integrated DVD player, dav-dz810w if anyone is interested.

Although this is okay and sounds adequate I'm looking to change to upgrade to something that will really impress.

I've got a budget of about £1000 but have gotten rather confused with the massive variety of choice.

I have a nice 55" Panasonic plasma, one of the last, which is about 18 months old as it was supposed to be the best quality picture and now I want to pair it with something that offers more substantial sound.

I don't mind using wired rear speakers but I'm also liking the look of the Yamaha YSP-2500 sound bar which supposedly offers really decent directional surround sound and a sub woofer.

Can anyone offer any suggestions?

Already have a decent Blu-ray player.


Thanks
 
I would pop down to a decent audio retail store who know their stuff and will let you try out the kit - http://www.richersounds.com/

We recently purchased a Sony STRND1050 AV Receiver to pair with our existing Cambridge Audio Minx series in a 5.1 set up - We chose the Minx as they are tiny with good sound, easy to hide!

However we substituted the front left and right with a pair of Dali Zenzor 1s.

All in all its an epic combination I'm really impressed with. The AV has an audio only mode which turns off all the extras and focuses on pure audio quality for when your cinema turns into a chill out room!
 
I have the Yamaha YSP-2500 paired with a 42 inch Pani Plasma. As you will already know i guess, it is just about the best soundbar around. I decided on it after listening to it first though, which i suggest you do as well. When watching films, it's just as engaging as a full 5.1 surround system but without all the speakers and wiring lol. I honestly think you would have to spend a hell of a lot more than it's £800 cost on a full 5.1 system to better it.
 
I think my original set up was 1k ish

Basic yamaha amp and 5.1 setup of monitor audio bx5 + be center + sub. I then added bxfx rears (had to be bxfx for room size)

Worked well. Then I went to rx5 + capable yamaha amp and stopped !
The upgrade was no where near as noticeable or worth while as original purchase

I now value sound probably more than picture quality!
 
No matter how good, a soundbar will always play catch-up behind the quality of a similarly priced surround system.

The main reason is that the results from clever soundbars such as the Yamaha still rely heavily on the layout and make up and layout of your listening room. Then the next most important factor is where you sit. Don't get me wrong, good products like the Yamaha that are running in a room with near perfect layout of reflective and absorbitive surfaces will do a very creditable job. But wired speakers has it beaten.

If you're looking at £1000 budget then my suggestion would be a 60/30/10 split. 60% (£600) on speakers, 30% on the electronics, and then 10% (£100) for cables and ancillaries such as brackets.

Next, one of the first things everyone will suggest is that you buy a sub from BK Electronics. The reason is simple, Pound-for-Pound, they perform better than equivalent products from the major speaker manufacturers. They're all correct as well.... except when buying a better sub means taking some large compromises on the speakers in other areas. That's what would happen when you're looking at speaker packages under £800. The manufacturer subsidises the complete kit, but when you split it down to swap out bits for alternatives then you lose some of that competitive advantage. So, unless you can stretch the budget or you're happy to look at second-hand gear then my recommendation is that you stick with the package speaker system.

Let's say for a moment that you ignore my advice and go for the entry-level BK sub. What would it be and what would the partnering speakers and accessories come to?...

BK Gemini II - £215 (inc signal cables) + delivery (£26) = £241

Remaining balance aprox £360 to buy centre, fronts, surrounds and speaker cable + brackets or stands.

Possible combos:

Tannoy Mercury VCi (centre) £105 + 2x pairs Tannoy Mercury V1 (2x £70/pr) - sub total £245 + cables (£60-£70) + wall brackets (£30) - Total £350 exc sub. £600-ish with a the baby BK

Mission MXC1 (centre) £100 + 2x pairs Mission MX1 (2x £90/pr) - sub total £280 + cables (£60-£70) + wall brackets (£30) - Total £385 exc sub. Approx £630 inc baby BK.

Tannoy Revolution DC4 LCR (centre) £100 + 2x pairs Tannoy Revolution DC4 (2x £150/pr) - sub total £245 + cables (£60-£70) + wall brackets (£30) - Total £500 exc sub. £750-ish with.

These aren't the only choices; there are products from Monitor Audio, Q Acoustics, Dali, Jamo, Wharfedale to name but a few. But I've already hit what I'd consider to be the main choices that come in to your budget range.


Now let's have a look at what I'd consider to be a perfect choice for you... It's the Monitor Audio MASS 5.1 system at £599 including the matching Monitor Audio sub. Monitor Audio has been (IMO) one of the leading speaker manufaturers making compact satellite speakers that still perform well for music as well as for movies. That takes some doing. It started with the Radius system that became the go-to product range for this sort of thing. However, that's an expensive solution for 5.1 at £1500 now. For some time MA have been looking for a way to emulate the success of Radius range but at a more accessible price. A couple of years ago they brought out the Vector series, but the styling was a bit challenging for many. The replacement is the MASS system, and I think they got it right. The satellites and centre are small enough to be discrete (224 x 128 x 128 mm) yet large enough to house some decent sized drivers that deliver for music. They look very smart too. The sub is good enough to shake your room when dinosaurs stomp about, but agile enough to follow the complex bass rhythms in music. You will need to buy speaker cable and wall brackets. The MA wall brackets are £15 each, but B-Tech makes the BT33 which are just £12 per pair and they'll easily hold the weight and (IMO) they're a better design too.

The Monitor Audio kit was an £800 rrp package and it's still on sale at that price at certain retailers. MA are doing a deal though which means the kit comes in at £600. That's bang on the money for you.

You're in a similar position to someone else making the same choice recently. If you're interedsted in more depth on the speaker choices then have a read here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18651308&highlight=monitor+audio+mass


For electronics I'd short list the Yamaha RXV477, Denon AVRX2100, and Pioneer VSX924. They're all around the £280 price mark. The Yamaha is perhaps the best choice for music as well as movies. Pioneer does well with creature comforts such as App control. Denon is more about muscularity with movies.
 
The only way I'd consider a soundbar over 5.1 is for space saving / aesthetic / wife reasons. 5.1 dumps all over every sound bar I've heard, it's a matter of physics with the soundbar speakers being tiny unfortunately.

We have a snug / cinema room now and use our 5.1 in there, keeping the main living room nice and tidy for when we have people round. The 5.1 is much better than the soundbar obviously, so between the two you need to decide if you have any wife related issues to consider.
 
Thanks for the responses guys, I was tempted with the Yamaha soundbar in particular as it does sound rather magical given it's ability to reflect sound of walls, difficult to imagine that works well but apparently it does given every review I've read and of course positive feedback from kitfit1 here.

But on impulse ordered a 5.1 system with Denon AVRX3100W and Monitor Audio BX2 5.1

It's going to be a lot more impressive than my old system I'm sure :)
 
Answering my own post here but wanted to say how amazed I am with the sound quality and appearance of my new system.

Went with the Yamaha RX-V777 in the end and the fabulous looking, (and sounding), Monitor Audio BX2 5.1 set.

First Blu-ray I put in was Prometheus and was open mouth shocked at the depth of sound.

Such a massive improvement to my old Sony system.

Looking forward to watching the Hobbit in 3D tonight :)
 
Glad you got a good result.

At the moment you're enjoying the huge step up from the Sony system. I have some even better news for you. There's yet another higher level of performance waiting to be unlocked in your system.

So far you've set up with the mic and YPAO wizard. Just wait until you hear what's achievable with a test disc, tape measure and sound level meter. :D
 
The iPhone app might do at a pinch. Does it give an average sound level reading ('C-Weighted' or smoothing function) or does it just vary a lot even with the test tone from the amp?
 
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