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Report has been released and the main conclusion is that both the authorities and the killers family could have, and should have, prevented the attacks.
There were multiple opportunities, all of which were not only missed but frequently deliberately not acted upon.
Reasons for this include:

His parents didnt want him to be taken away from them, despite him frequently being violent towards them and others.

He wasnt sectioned because he was black and 'too many young black men are already locked away'.

He wasnt arrested on multiple occasions (at least 10) for taking a knife in to a school because police didnt want to 'criminalise a child'.

His external violent threats werent dealt with by the local council because they were more concerned with the threat he posed to himself.

Multiple agencies were involved in monitoring him but none acted because they all assumed someone else would. They didnt bother to communicate with one another. They didnt transfer information. They repeatedly lost vital information.

Three children died (eight others were injured and two adults) because our system is so obsessed with wanting to protect dangerous individuals/criminals instead of the innocents around them. Quite frankly this crap needs to stop.
If theyre a danger, lock them away. Simple. That way they cannot harm anyone other than themselves and if they want to harm themselves then so be it.

No doubt we'll get the usual bull crap 'lessons will be learned' and even though individual failures have been noted you can guarantee that no further prosecutions or even firings will take place.

/rant.
 
Taking bets on how many man sized pages this will go before we either lock it, remove it, or move it to SC.
 
I don't really care much about the role of his parents, as wierd as that might sound; goes without saying they have failed.
But I do want some people in positions of authority to face actual consequences i.e job loss, prosecution etc. Not just the meme of 'Lessons will be learned'

Edit, from the Guardian article, the groundwork for what might actually happen as a result has been laid:
"The judge said he would consider in the second phase of the inquiry whether there should be a new power to monitor or restrict the internet use of young people who are believed to pose a threat."

Oh Joy. ofcourse.
 
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The system doesn't have enough resources to do its job properly and there has to be a balance. Hindsight is 20:20 and for every attack like this, thousands will be considered a similar risk level and never do something like this.

Its always a balance and a gamble.
 
The system doesn't have enough resources to do its job properly and there has to be a balance. Hindsight is 20:20 and for every attack like this, thousands will be considered a similar risk level and never do something like this.

Its always a balance and a gamble.

Thats not one of the conclusions. The resources were available they were just not used correctly due to poor decision making/incompetence.
For example his school correctly reported him to the police for bringing weapons in to school and on at least 10 occurrences the police chose not to charge him because 'they didnt want to criminalise a child'. Thats not resource. Thats politics.
 

Link for those interested in reading it themselves directly, summary from that page:

Key Findings

The Report opens with a chapter ‘Fundamental problems’ and concludes that the attack was foreseeable and avoidable, highlighting five major areas of systemic failure:

1.Absence of risk ownership: No agency or multi-agency structure accepted responsibility for assessing and managing the grave risk posed by the perpetrator.
2. Critical failures in information sharing: Essential information was repeatedly lost, diluted or poorly managed across agencies.
3. Misunderstanding of autism: AR’s conduct was wrongly attributed to his autism spectrum disorder, leading to inaction and a failure to address dangerous behaviours.
4. Lack of oversight of online activity: AR’s online behaviour, which provided the clearest indications of his violent preoccupations, was never meaningfully examined.
5. Significant parental failures: AR’s parents did not provide boundaries, permitted knives and weapons to be delivered to the home, and failed to report crucial information in the days leading up to the attack.
 
The report findings were going to be clear once the investigation concluded, I read the notes taken each day and it was horrific and disappointing to read.

The parents deserve punishment, they ignored plenty warnings and threatened action against workers trying to increase his risk profile. They did everything they can to stop AR from being punished by themselves and any other authority.

Twitter are scum bags who chose not to open confirmed AR twitter profiles for the authorities, when facebook and others did.
 
Absolutely not, everyone else keeps their job and gets "training" on things to spot for the future. Pathetic.

You can guarantee the agencies in question will already be circling the wagons to protect any individuals. Either that or scapegoats will be found to protect any senior staff/favourites.
 
You can guarantee the agencies in question will already be circling the wagons to protect any individuals.
No agency will accept full fault and therefore does not need to make drastic changes.
Instead all connected agencies will insist of new "training and reporting" available for staff reporting in the future.
 
No agency will accept full fault and therefore does not need to make drastic changes.
Instead all connected agencies will insist of new "training and reporting" available for staff reporting in the future.

Oh it'll definitely be the 3x spiderman meme.
 
Some bizarre reactions. The process is working, there’s been an investigation, there is a report, there are lessons. There are actions. This is the mechanism by which things change, processes are altered, and steps are taken to prevent it happening again.
 
I think the multiple bringing a knife to school thing with no consequences is a major issue.
I wasn't aware of this until today, as I haven't followed this, but repeating criminal behaviour over and over, with no change in action against it will not change the situation.
Was it the same knife 10 times, or 10 different knives. Not being flippant, but where is a child acquiring knives over and over.
If it is from the home, and they are being confiscated each time, then the parents are even more complicit.
 
I think the multiple bringing a knife to school thing with no consequences is a major issue.
I wasn't aware of this until today, as I haven't followed this, but repeating criminal behaviour over and over, with no change in action against it will not change the situation.
Was it the same knife 10 times, or 10 different knives. Not being flippant, but where is a child acquiring knives over and over.
If it is from the home, and they are being confiscated each time, then the parents are even more complicit.

Home. His parents were fully aware, even signing for the deliveries.
 
The process is working, there’s been an investigation, there is a report, there are lessons. There are actions. This is the mechanism by which things change, processes are altered, and steps are taken to prevent it happening again.
Bringing knifes into schools without them being reported shows the process working?
Agencies refusing to take action based on being perceived as racist, shows the process working?

What you have said is how it should be, there's no proof of it working as such though.

Was it the same knife 10 times, or 10 different knives. Not being flippant, but where is a child acquiring knives over and over.
Different knives, all ordered online, parcels accepted by his parents and never questioned him on the contents.
Parents story also conflicts with each other where one parent said they had seen knives and the other who had done a "deep clean" hadn't.
 
Some bizarre reactions. The process is working, there’s been an investigation, there is a report, there are lessons. There are actions. This is the mechanism by which things change, processes are altered, and steps are taken to prevent it happening again.

Eh? The literally finding of the enquiry is that the system and process isnt working. There were multiple chances by multiple agencies to stop this and they failed. Thats not a success!
 
Bringing knifes into schools without them being reported shows the process working?
Agencies refusing to take action based on being perceived as racist, shows the process working?
This report highlighting these failings *is* the process working.
 
This report highlighting these failings *is* the process working.

No, the report is the outcome of a systemic failure. Not it working correctly! If it works correctly there are no failings to highlight and, more importantly, no dead innocents.
 
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