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Hi guys iam upgrading my home cinema system the components are Yamaha rx-v6a monitor audio silver 50 7g Ma radius 200 Ma radius 90 for rear surround Ma bronze w 10 6g And ma mass satellite for atoms height speakers
Iam completely lost as to which cables to get i know i need pure copper and i know the fronts need better than the others but its a minefield as to awg type etc any help would be much appreciated i dont have a huge budget left
 
Copper is good enough for 99.999% of audio analogue kit, so don’t worry if it’s not silver plated or silver.

For audio you want low impedance so the signal doesnt weaken over distance. I’d keep the cables the same length unless your DSP/amp can delay based on different lengths.
Part of that; in a simple way is done by the core diameter and the length of the run.

pretty much any copper wire is good for audio.
 
This is the stuff I've used throughout the house. Seems well recommended here as well.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/KabelDirekt-speaker-2x2-5mm²-Transparent-polarity-copper/dp/B01C79XV5W/

I've also added banana plugs just for ease of cabling.
Yep. That's a good choice. I have recommended it here a few times in the past.

Banana plugs are a must for the back of the amp, especially when @arix has 5.1 + Atmos to contend with.

I'd go banana on the centre and fronts, but bare wire on the smaller speakers and side/rear surrounds to keep the profile low, especially any that are wall mounted. Those Nakamichi ones on eBay will do just fine.

The sub lead might be worth looking at too, especially if trying to hide the cable around the edge of the room. There's a nice, thin-but-exceptionally-well-shielded mini coax on eBay. It's white and only 3.5mm diameter. Look up hum killer mini micro if interested. Prices are good too.
 
Thanks for all the advice guys I'll probably skip the last two recommendations I think I'll probably go with the

KabelDirekt – Pure Copper Stereo Audio Speaker Wire it's certainly cheaper the the av shop recommended which was QED micro for the surrounds and atmos, for the front 3, something better would be worthwhile, such as the Chord C-Screen. At £250

 
Thanks for all the advice guys I'll probably skip the last two recommendations I think I'll probably go with the

KabelDirekt – Pure Copper Stereo Audio Speaker Wire it's certainly cheaper the the av shop recommended which was QED micro for the surrounds and atmos, for the front 3, something better would be worthwhile, such as the Chord C-Screen. At £250

Whatever you've done with the font colour just doesn't work on the blue background in dark theme. Can't see it. Please stop.
 
So to summarise there is no need for me to purchase the chord company c screen for the fronts and the qed micro cable for the rest of the system. And the KabelDirekt 2.5mm will be perfect for everything and give me the best sound quality for the setup I have
 
So to summarise there is no need for me to purchase the chord company c screen for the fronts and the qed micro cable for the rest of the system. And the KabelDirekt 2.5mm will be perfect for everything and give me the best sound quality for the setup I have

Stop using black font

Just buy the kabeldirect cable.

Nordost and chord cable is for mugs
 
The QED micro is bell wire. Its 8 configuration is simply its side by side and the poly coating.. well the wire is coated in plastic.

I have some of the original purple QED from about 25 years ago. Copper oxidises over time so you will find yourself cutting bits of wire off every so often to get fresh copper. If the wire was soldered/weldged into gold termination then you'd not need todo that.

There IS a science behind wires but for audio, other than having enough cross-sectional area to carry the current then you'll not notice much. How the amp then reacts to the wire is the next thing - if it's got high capacitance or inductance etc then you could find the wire sounds different due to the amp load. Unless you have long long cables then you're not going to notice anything unless the amp is that bad.

Where cables characteristics does play a part is high frequency - ie above audio. 100kHz+ then you may start to see the difference in transmission but not for audio. For digital this is important (I am just finishing off a digital component that works at 400kHz and 24.576Mhz and the lines for that need careful design for the characteristics or you could damage components (reflections can cause higher voltages than you put in!) plus the connections need to be the same to 0.001mm to prevent the signals getting out of step with each other..
 
So to summarise there is no need for me to purchase the chord company c screen for the fronts and the qed micro cable for the rest of the system. And the KabelDirekt 2.5mm will be perfect for everything and give me the best sound quality for the setup I have

'Best sound quality' is very subjective, so I'd be wary of making absolute predictions. What we can say is that the larger cross-sectional diameter of the 2.5mm KD cable will lose less of the power going to your speakers. That means the amp doesn't need to run as hard and so it's less likely to distort.

Before I continue, I'll tell you now that I've got Chord speaker cable in my own system, so before anyone assumes what's coming next is just me knocking it to fit in with the naysayers, then I hope you'll see that it isn't.

What concerns me about boutique brands is when we get retailers spouting this kind of stuff

Excellent resistance to interference - now with XLPE
The Chord C-screenX uses oxygen-free copper cores, twisted to reduce interference. The cable now features XLPE insulation and is enclosed in a PVC casing to reduce mechanical noise. This means that the cable is less susceptible to sources of interference such as near-by mains cables or transformers.

  1. oxygen free - no copper cable is truly oxygen free, but all copper cables - even the stuff for your house electrical wiring - can be considered oxygen free. To put it into perspective, imagine a horse race with a photo finish. The amount of difference between OFC and ordinary copper would be like the OFC horse winning by 1cm
  2. twisted to reduce interference - pure B.S. This is speaker cable, not line level interconnect between devices with balanced connections. Twisting bits of wire in the hope of imbuing them with some mysterious noise cancelling properties is the very definition of Hi-Fi twa-ttery
  3. XLPE insulation - do you know what its true purpose is? It's to make cables more resistant to heat and so they don't help spread a fire
  4. to reduce mechanical noise - if you've got something near your Hi-Fi or AV system that generates enough physical vibration that it affects the way electrons flow through a bit of copper wire then you've got bigger problems, trust me
  5. less susceptible to sources of interference such as near-by mains cables or transformers - No. Just no. For a start, mains cables and transformers do radiate EMI (electromechanical interference). It's the same principle as used by contactless induction chargers and TV aerials. However, the level of interference generated pales in comparison to the size of the current running through a speaker cable

@NickK is probably being a little harsh when he describes QED Micro as bell wire. At a 1.25mm cross-sectional area it's a bit thicker than the average bell wire, but it's not a magic cable either.

The B.S. starts with QED's description of it as featuring "advanced materials to enable top quality sound". It's copper and polyethylene. Hardly state-of-the-art in materials science. Then there's the claim from RS - "Improve your speaker installation’s sound, with the QED Micro" - Speaker cable doesn't improve anything. The best any speaker wire can do is get out of the way of the signal. If a speaker cable improves anything, then the stuff that was in place before was worse.

As speaker cable prices go, £2.00~£2.50 per metre is hardly break-the-bank territory unless you need miles of it. There's a case to be made then for slim cables of adequate cross-sectional area for surrounds. Unless you're in the habit of playing music in all-channel-surround mode or you're running full-range audio to floorstander surround speakers, then chances are that those side/rear speakers are paired with a sub doing most of the low frequency work. The speakers themselves won't be pulling a lot of power unless they're really low sensitivity. Anything at 85~86dB/W/m or above can be classed as acceptable. If something like the QED Micro is the compromise required to get side/rear surrounds running, and you don't need much more than 10m runs, then I think it's a reasonable solution. Where there's no such size restriction then go bigger. You'll never have to worry that the cable is a bottleneck to performance.

If you plan to reply then please don't use those dark fonts. This is what your previous posts looked like to a lot of us here:

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'Best sound quality' is very subjective, so I'd be wary of making absolute predictions. What we can say is that the larger cross-sectional diameter of the 2.5mm KD cable will lose less of the power going to your speakers. That means the amp doesn't need to run as hard and so it's less likely to distort.

Before I continue, I'll tell you now that I've got Chord speaker cable in my own system, so before anyone assumes what's coming next is just me knocking it to fit in with the naysayers, then I hope you'll see that it isn't.

What concerns me about boutique brands is when we get retailers spouting this kind of stuff



  1. oxygen free - no copper cable is truly oxygen free, but all copper cables - even the stuff for your house electrical wiring - can be considered oxygen free. To put it into perspective, imagine a horse race with a photo finish. The amount of difference between OFC and ordinary copper would be like the OFC horse winning by 1cm
  2. twisted to reduce interference - pure B.S. This is speaker cable, not line level interconnect between devices with balanced connections. Twisting bits of wire in the hope of imbuing them with some mysterious noise cancelling properties is the very definition of Hi-Fi twa-ttery
  3. XLPE insulation - do you know what its true purpose is? It's to make cables more resistant to heat and so they don't help spread a fire
  4. to reduce mechanical noise - if you've got something near your Hi-Fi or AV system that generates enough physical vibration that it affects the way electrons flow through a bit of copper wire then you've got bigger problems, trust me
  5. less susceptible to sources of interference such as near-by mains cables or transformers - No. Just no. For a start, mains cables and transformers do radiate EMI (electromechanical interference). It's the same principle as used by contactless induction chargers and TV aerials. However, the level of interference generated pales in comparison to the size of the current running through a speaker cable

@NickK is probably being a little harsh when he describes QED Micro as bell wire. At a 1.25mm cross-sectional area it's a bit thicker than the average bell wire, but it's not a magic cable either.

The B.S. starts with QED's description of it as featuring "advanced materials to enable top quality sound". It's copper and polyethylene. Hardly state-of-the-art in materials science. Then there's the claim from RS - "Improve your speaker installation’s sound, with the QED Micro" - Speaker cable doesn't improve anything. The best any speaker wire can do is get out of the way of the signal. If a speaker cable improves anything, then the stuff that was in place before was worse.

As speaker cable prices go, £2.00~£2.50 per metre is hardly break-the-bank territory unless you need miles of it. There's a case to be made then for slim cables of adequate cross-sectional area for surrounds. Unless you're in the habit of playing music in all-channel-surround mode or you're running full-range audio to floorstander surround speakers, then chances are that those side/rear speakers are paired with a sub doing most of the low frequency work. The speakers themselves won't be pulling a lot of power unless they're really low sensitivity. Anything at 85~86dB/W/m or above can be classed as acceptable. If something like the QED Micro is the compromise required to get side/rear surrounds running, and you don't need much more than 10m runs, then I think it's a reasonable solution. Where there's no such size restriction then go bigger. You'll never have to worry that the cable is a bottleneck to performance.

If you plan to reply then please don't use those dark fonts. This is what your previous posts looked like to a lot of us here:

QvpZkZ.jpg
That sums up pretty much every "special wire" claim. I went for flatter (but still 2.5mm) to go under the carpet. I personally just go with stranded and that thickness when I did my 2 rooms. Sounds fine to me.
 
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