Spec me a new Motherboard, CPU and RAM Please

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I need to replace my Motherboard, CPU and (possibly) RAM? I still have my RAM which is 2x8Gb Kingston Fury HyperX 2400; my Mobo & CPU are no longer with us….
I only use my PC for Office and Photoshop type work but would like something fast, efficient and reliable. I would prefer Intel as I don’t know the first thing about AMD. Budget is £700/£800, Thanks.
 
Is that memory that you have DDR3 or DDR4? If it's DDR3 then it will need replacing as well due to all current platforms using DDR4. The best bang for buck is with AMD's Ryzen platform.
 
It's DDR4. Unfortunately I know zero about AMD so would have no idea what to choose.
ATX or Micro - and do you have a windowed case?

Unfortunately, although you have DDR4 memory it's not fast enough to utilise the Ryzen CPU to it's full potential - faster memory has significant returns up to 3000/3200MHz (but they would sell on the MM).
 
ATX and a Phanteks Enthoo Pro Mid Tower Case with Window.

Keeping in mind your original £700/£800 budget this below spec would suit your moderate needs admirably for years to come and is a couple of hundred under budget.

Know that all Ryzen CPUs are unlocked and that the 1600 or the 1700 will clock to 3.7GHz on the supplied Wraith cooler. But adding an aftermarket cooler 'may' add a couple of hundred more MHz and still keep things cool and quiet.

The Ryzen 1600 has 6 cores/12 threads and the 8 Pack memory is guaranteed to run at a minimum of 3200MHz which is the Ryzen sweetspot for performance - but you could knock this down to 3000MHz and save an additional ~£50.

With your minimal/moderate usage the above spec would

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £506.43
(includes shipping: £10.50)




Or of you wanted to go all out you could get the Ryzen 1700 which has 8 cores/16 threads but unsure how much you would benefit from the extra cores/threads with your usage - but the apps that did would really benefit but for your average use you it would be a luxury. And still under budget...

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £596.43
(includes shipping: £10.50)



 
Thank you Plec. How would those compare with the following for reliability and performance?

Asus TUF X299 Mark1 (Socket 2066) Intel X299 ATX Motherboard - Code MB-6A2-AS @ £289.99
or
Gigabyte X299-UD4 (Socket 2066) Intel X299 ATX Motherboard - Code MB-55N-GI @ £239.99
with
Intel Core i7-7800X 3.5GHz (Skylake X / Basin Falls) Socket LGA2066 Processor – Retail - Code CP-638-IN @ £349.99

Or

Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz (Kaby Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail @ £349.99
With
Asus Prime Z270-K Motherboard @ £124.99
 
Thank you Plec. How would those compare with the following for reliability and performance?

I can't answer that conclusively for your general usage - and would probably start a lengthy forum debate if i tried (some members prefer different flavours - where all i want is value for money and the right CPU for the right job) :)

Short version is bang for buck - but i'll waffle on...

Honestly, I love Ryzen, the performance to buck ratio is amazing and forced INTEL to address their price structure (moderatly) and have made them cobble cores together and release Coffee Lake earlier than planned.

But, you will be an earlier adopter (relatively new) to a whole new architecture, with Ryzen, and it has had its teething problems but these have slowly been ironed out with AGESA/BIOS updates. The ASUS B350 Strix board i specced was actually only released a month or so ago and is receiving high praise in reviews and forum banter. Due to these steady BIOS releases stability has become less of an issue - plus these issues were mainly memory related - due to people running memory classed as overclocked. The trouble being that 3000MHz/3200MHz was classed as an overclock but this is where enthusiasts realised Ryzen came fully alive. But we now have AM4 approved 3200 Sticks (the 8 pack i specced) and most 3000MHz regular sticks will now work using the XMP. So, as early adoption goes you would be joining at the optimum time. You could buy a reliable, performance based Ryzen system with guaranteed memory speed/stability.

My point being that Ryzen has steadily become blisteringly fast and reliable at a very accommodating price.

However, the reality is that the i7-7800X would be marginally faster overall on average - singled threaded performance in particularly. The Ryzen 1700 will have it's moments when the extra cores/threads are utilised but with your present usage you would be unlikely notice or gain any benefits from these (even with the 7800X). But there is a large premium to be paid for the 7800X when adding the ~£260 motherboard onto the price of the CPU and memory. Plus, they run quite warm and are power hungry compared to Ryzen...

Having typed that - the reality is that you would not notice this speed difference with your everyday usage as either of the systems would be incredibly fast for your average usage - even the smaller Ryzen 1600.

You can't go wrong with either flavour build - but if comparing bang for buck, then Ryzen will prevail. But if you're happier with an INTEL build then you should get what you feel more comfortable with - as that is what your system will be about - confidence in its ability. As you are not going to notice the speed differences between the two. Again, ideally, you would wait for Coffee Lake as this is what all INTEL and Ryzen fans are waiting for - competition, faster processors and perhaps even another price restructuring - but this is probably wishful thinking. It should prove a win win for the average user and enthusiast alike...

If you were doing rendering/compiling/encoding the choice would have been easier - but as you're usage is very 'everyday computing' any chip you get will just be purring in the background.

***I should add at the end of all this that you do know that Ryzen doesn't have a built in GPU?

I would read/watch recent/revised reviews on Ryzen and get a feel for the format - it really has been a revelation catching us all by surprise. How many of us have had INTEL by default for the past 10+ years. And now, out of nowhere, we're having to make difficult decisions that were very straight forward 8 months ago...

Apologies for the wall of text - i was watching a film while typing and have written too much - probably repeating the same thing but in a slightly different way. Hopefully, you get the gist...
 
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It sounds like I wouldn’t see much difference between these two processors then, apart from saving £120?

Intel Core i5-7600K 3.80GHz (Kaby Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor – Retail

Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz (Kaby Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
 
It sounds like I wouldn’t see much difference between these two processors then, apart from saving £120?

Intel Core i5-7600K 3.80GHz (Kaby Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor – Retail

Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz (Kaby Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
Possibly - would be good to clarify a couple of things first below.

I only use my PC for Office and Photoshop type work but would like something fast, efficient and reliable. I would prefer Intel as I don’t know the first thing about AMD.
What exactly do you use your PC for - e.g. are you heavily into photoshop: rendering images, loads of pages open? Do you do any gaming at all?

I still have my RAM which is 2x8Gb Kingston Fury HyperX 2400; my Mobo & CPU are no longer with us….
And what system did you have before that required DDR4 memory? Did it feel sluggish - as i would be surprised with your general description of usage.

The full spec would be handy.
 
I blew my old mobo hence the need to change. It was a Gigabyte X99-SLI - Intel Core i7 5820K Six Core CPU & Motherboard Bundle. It did what I needed it too but was beginning to feel sluggish.

I am heavily into photoshop: rendering images, loads of pages open etc. Never done any gaming, but that said, I have just taken early retirement so may have time to try my hand now.
 
I blew my old mobo hence the need to change. It was a Gigabyte X99-SLI - Intel Core i7 5820K Six Core CPU & Motherboard Bundle. It did what I needed it too but was beginning to feel sluggish.

I am heavily into photoshop: rendering images, loads of pages open etc. Never done any gaming, but that said, I have just taken early retirement so may have time to try my hand now.
I think my description of general light use didn't do your computer usage justice - especially if you were stretching an i7 5820K.

From my limited understanding the 7700K was/is the go to CPU for photoshop - and from your slow downs i wouldn't drop to an i5 from a i7 5830K.

TBH, i'm flummoxed as adding gaming to the mix it would be sensible to consider more cores/threads as more and more games are utilising this and this is only going to increase. My instinct is to say 6 cores minimum with your budget...

Also, although the most recent Photoshop still laps up the 7700K (the IPC affect) later Photoshop releases, 'i presume', will start to take advantage of these extra cores/threads - especially now INTEL has thrown its hat into the mutli-core+ mix so i would be considering this too with regards to my next purchase. But how often do you upgrade Photoshop?

This brief article/review - Clicky - shows a comparison of all the i7/Ryzens your considering. And as predicted the i7 7700K wins.

I know i keep coming back to it but it's a bad time to be considering an INTEL build with Coffee Lake around the corner - have you considered buying a second hand X99 from the members market to tide you over and then selling the whole kit-and-kaboodle on after Coffee Lake is released?

If not, then if speed, efficiency and reliability are key it would seem that the 7700K paired with 3000MHz memory - right now - would fit your criteria for Photoshop and future possible foray into gaming. Ryzen 1700 would do this equally well (you wouldn't notice the speed deficit in real world terms) plus the added cores would come into their own in the future - but i sense that you would feel more comfortable with an INTEL solution and it will be a tour de force with whatever you throw at it.

However, the 7700K isn't a recommendation - more an observation of the raw data/reviews and the funds you have available coupled with your defined criteria for the spec, confidence in INTEL and the fact you need to buy a machine right now. That said the 7700K is a stonking CPU - it's only the timing that sucks.

Did you have a graphics card with that and is it still working? Ryzen doesn't have built in graphics
Already covered within thread - although perhaps need clarification.

***I should add at the end of all this that you do know that Ryzen doesn't have a built in GPU?
 
Thank you for all your help and advice. I have just been over to OC and bought an Asus ROG Maximus IX Hero Intel Z270 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard and the i7 7700K with Team Group Dark Pro "8 Pack Edition" 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black.

Probably overkill but it should last a few years hopefully. My graphics card is an Nvidea GTX 960, not sure if I should upgrade that too?
 
Thank you for all your help and advice.
No worries - it helps to clarify things, even when you know what you want.

bought an Asus ROG Maximus IX Hero Intel Z270 (Socket 1151) DDR4 ATX Motherboard and the i7 7700K with Team Group Dark Pro "8 Pack Edition" 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black.

Probably overkill but it should last a few years hopefully.
Maybe - but it's a mighty spec and it's a great feeling knowing you have power to spare - and will purr its way through your usage for a while. It's a handsome kit too so will look impressive in your windowed case.

My graphics card is an Nvidea GTX 960, not sure if I should upgrade that too?
Only for gaming purposes - what is your monitor res and what games are you thinking of trying?
 
Unless you got some proper simulation going on like the big corporate things you see at events etc with 3 screens then the 960 should be plenty for pretty much all flight sims for consumers even with some of whatever the mods/add ons you can get.
 
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