Spec me a replacement for my Z4

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Hello all, bit nervous about posting this here, but we'll see how it goes I guess.

I currently have an '03 Z4 2.5i with >110k miles on it, a recently failed roof motor and some slightly worrying noises coming from the steering rack.

I bought the car in October last year for under £4k as a weekend car (used the train to commute to London). I now work more locally, so I'm using it to get to work (13 miles each way - the long way round, down country lanes) and can now justify spending a bit more cash on what is now a daily driver. I reckon the Z4 could probably use around £2-3k spent on it to get it into nice condition, but of course that isn't money that will see its way back to the car. I'm therefore thinking of getting shot for something younger or fresher.

My annual mileage is around 7,000 miles, so to an extent, costs like fuel don't worry me. The Z4 is averaging 28 MPG according to the OBC, so that is fine.

I have a few requirements:
  • Involving to drive, but not uncomfortable. Something that feels "special" and perhaps a bit of an event to drive
  • £10k budget
  • An "interesting" engine
  • Reasonably quick - around 7s 0-60 is fine
  • A reasonable boot - the Z4's is adequate as is, but it can't go any smaller
  • I'm not a badge snob, so make's not important, but I do want a good-looking car, and am partial to coupes and convertibles.
  • Realistically reasonably reliable on the most important/expensive bits - IE engine, gearbox should be bulletproof. Ancillaries I'm more comfortable with not being as reliable.
  • Handling on B-roads is more important than all-out speed

Based on the above, my original choice was a Mazda RX-8 R3 with the revised engine. However, when it came to actually buying it, despite a great deal, I couldn't go through with it. The engine worries me too much, and the fuel consumption is just too poor, I guess I'd like 25mpg plus. When I can justify a 350Z or Monaro in my head off the back of the RX-8's costs, it means that it's really too much.

I have considered a VX220, which I think I can dismiss as perhaps too hardcore for a daily, an MX-5, which I cannot fit into (it's like I'm operating the steering wheel with my legs), and probably isn't practical enough, a 350Z, which bothers me because of the weight and size of the thing, especially in comparison to the tiny boot.

I've started to look at 986 Boxsters, but the IMS failures worry me, and overall Porsche costs - particularly as the bits that fail tend to be high percentages of the cars' value.

So all this is leading me back towards a Z4 facelift with the 3.0si. Is there something else I should be looking at?

TL;DR: Fancy a change/upgrade from current Z4 before it needs lots of replacement bits, unsure what to go for. Decent boot, good handling, reasonably quick, nice to look at.
 
04+ S2000. Buy on condition.

04+ gets you some facelift exterior and interior revisions, glass rear screen. Ticks every one of your boxes, might want to check insurance though.
 
04+ S2000. Buy on condition.

04+ gets you some facelift exterior and interior revisions, glass rear screen. Ticks every one of your boxes, might want to check insurance though.

+1. Insurance is the only real put off for these if you don't have much NCB. They aren't too bad once you have 5 years + (like most sports cars).

Also aim to get an 05 - 06 one if you can as they are cheaper on tax, but as with all of these types of car, by on condition first. IIRC 08 - 09 ones can have the engine go whereas earlier ones are OK. I'm sure someone with more experience with the s2k will be able to shed some more light on those issues.
 
Not to be anal or picky, but in theory there is no such thing as an AP2 UK S2000. They are all AP1, but they got other revisions that the US AP2 got. We do not have the 2.2L f22c engine at all in the UK.
 
There's not much that fits the criteria that you haven't already looked at. 987's are just coming into that price bracket now, but you'll be looking at the earlier higher milage cars so.

I think you'd find a TT too sedate. You could maybe add e46 M3's on the list?
 
I don't think you'll find a Boxster 986 an event to drive unless it was the Boxster S and even then it doesn't set the world alight...

Same goes for the 350z, however with the right setup the Z can be fun, exhaust etc also the V6 gives an almost muscle car like quality which can be fun! It's a big heavy weight though and I'm not sure it would fit the bill...
 
A Honda S2000 AP2 should tick all of those boxes.

04+ S2000. Buy on condition.

04+ gets you some facelift exterior and interior revisions, glass rear screen. Ticks every one of your boxes, might want to check insurance though.

+1. Insurance is the only real put off for these if you don't have much NCB. They aren't too bad once you have 5 years + (like most sports cars).

Also aim to get an 05 - 06 one if you can as they are cheaper on tax, but as with all of these types of car, by on condition first. IIRC 08 - 09 ones can have the engine go whereas earlier ones are OK. I'm sure someone with more experience with the s2k will be able to shed some more light on those issues.

The problem I see with the S2000, which is one of the reasons I've not really looked at it, is that the boot will be a bit too small I think.

The Z4's is 240L apparently (probably with the roof compartment up), whereas the S2000's is 160L, which is quite a drop. I quite frequently have the boot full in the Z4 (R/C stuff) so it might be an issue unless the passenger footwell is particularly commodious.

I have always liked them though. Will have to run some quotes for insurance. I'm 22 with 1 year NCB, 4 years experience. The Z4 is only ~£670 and the Z4M that I ran a quote for the other day was £840.

S2000

Z4 "M"

If you can find me a good condition non-written off Z4M for £10k then I'll buy it right now. Unfortunately I think they're just out of range, plus they have "M" running costs & servicing. Plus ultimate speed isn't really what I'm after. Do sound nice and I would if under £10k obviously though :D.

There's not much that fits the criteria that you haven't already looked at. 987's are just coming into that price bracket now, but you'll be looking at the earlier higher milage cars so.

I think you'd find a TT too sedate. You could maybe add e46 M3's on the list?

I thought I'd look at a 986 purely because I'd be buying at the top end of the market rather than the bottom like I did with my first Z4. TT I'm not keen on, plus the '07 model's meant to be quite unreliable IIRC?

I do like the E46 M3, but finding an unabused one seems like a bit of a chore.

I don't think you'll find a Boxster 986 an event to drive unless it was the Boxster S and even then it doesn't set the world alight...

Same goes for the 350z, however with the right setup the Z can be fun, exhaust etc also the V6 gives an almost muscle car like quality which can be fun! It's a big heavy weight though and I'm not sure it would fit the bill...

The Boxster's meant to be the best driver's car though is it not? I appreciate you had one so obviously I'm just going on reviews. My budget should be able to net me an S, but I'd probably go 2.7 for sensibility's sake.

350Z did just look and feel big and heavy. Plus the boot space is a bit poor. If I was doing long distance A-road driving I'd probably go for it.
 
996 Carrera. IMS scares are based around the Yanks and Hartech who trolls every thread promoting his business.

If you're worried, buy it and change the bearing. End of story.
 
I don't find the boot in the S2000 a problem, but you'd have to see for yourself. Similarly, the S2000, 350Z and Boxster will all drive different to your Z4 - not saying better just different. So thats going to come down to you driving them really.

I've been browsing around recently with similar criteria and there's not much else, its not quite enough for some more interesting stuff and too much for similar cars to mine.

Best bet is to get out there and do some tent drives to see what you think.
 
Can't help but think suggesting a Porsche or BMW M3 is a bit OTT for somebody who is only after 'Reasonably quick' with approx 7 seconds to 60 as a requirement, and also wants something 'Realistically reasonably reliable on the most important/expensive bits'.

A Porsche 911 or M3 is not a car you are talked into really, its the sort of car you know you want before you go out and buy one, rather than one you get when you're only after reasonably quick and dont want something thats potentially ruinous in terms of running costs. A guy who balks at running an RX-8 isn't the guy to take on a 10+ year old 911 in my view! No offence to the OP of course :)

The requirements to me suggest something a step down from the Porsche or M3 in terms of potential running costs and performance, something like a 350Z or S2000 seems ideal, or a nicer condition, newer 3.0 Z4. Does a Z4 Coupe come in within budget, and is it any more practical than the softtop?
 
Could just about get a 987 Boxster for £10k?

There is a lot of choice at this price range, but my money would be on the 997.. Even it's a 2.7
 
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I recently sold an amazing condition (really mint) 2007 3.4L 987 Boxster S with reasonable mileage (72k) for £13.5k, maybe you can get a 2005 987 S or something for your budget.
 
996 Carrera. IMS scares are based around the Yanks and Hartech who trolls every thread promoting his business.

If you're worried, buy it and change the bearing. End of story.

A 911 is ideal from a format perspective, but I can't justify the running costs, and cannot afford the potential repair bill that will come from a £60k car. I get that I could simply get the IMS bearing replaced, but that adds more money to the purchase price, and frankly it's too much for me at the moment.

I don't find the boot in the S2000 a problem, but you'd have to see for yourself. Similarly, the S2000, 350Z and Boxster will all drive different to your Z4 - not saying better just different. So thats going to come down to you driving them really.

I've been browsing around recently with similar criteria and there's not much else, its not quite enough for some more interesting stuff and too much for similar cars to mine.

Best bet is to get out there and do some tent drives to see what you think.

Absolutely, but second hand cars where approved used is rare is a little bit of a pain to get test drives - hence wanting to narrow it first.

Can't help but think suggesting a Porsche or BMW M3 is a bit OTT for somebody who is only after 'Reasonably quick' with approx 7 seconds to 60 as a requirement, and also wants something 'Realistically reasonably reliable on the most important/expensive bits'.

A Porsche 911 or M3 is not a car you are talked into really, its the sort of car you know you want before you go out and buy one, rather than one you get when you're only after reasonably quick and dont want something thats potentially ruinous in terms of running costs. A guy who balks at running an RX-8 isn't the guy to take on a 10+ year old 911 in my view! No offence to the OP of course :)

The requirements to me suggest something a step down from the Porsche or M3 in terms of potential running costs and performance, something like a 350Z or S2000 seems ideal, or a nicer condition, newer 3.0 Z4. Does a Z4 Coupe come in within budget, and is it any more practical than the softtop?

I agree whole heartedly with this - I'm not in the position to justify the running costs of a 911 or 'M' car in comparison to cars with pretty standard running gear in nicer bodies - like the S2000 etc. I do wonder where the Boxster sits - in the 911, 'M' car or Z4 running cost category.

Z4 Coupe does fit in budget, and is one of the main cars I'm looking at.

Could just about get a 987 Boxster for £10k?

There is a lot of choice at this price range, but my money would be on the 997.. Even it's a 2.7

I recently sold an amazing condition (really mint) 2007 3.4L 987 Boxster S with reasonable mileage (72k) for £13.5k, maybe you can get a 2005 987 S or something for your budget.

I think that I'd rather get a really nice, low mileage, well specced 986, even though it'll look older and more dated, if only to have pick of the market. I'd rather not "scrape" into a bracket. Maybe that's unfair, but I will have a look none-the-less. Is IMS bearing failure still a thing on the 987? Any major failure points to be wary of? As for the 997, see above.

Z3 M Coupe :D

I had a non-M 3.0 Z3 Coupe and it was brilliant. Boot is surprisingly big as well.

Would love one, and have looked around a lot at these, but they seem more like mid-teens money rather than sub-£10k. As for non-Ms, I had to do a search to see if they even exist! Seem to be exceedingly rare - only 2 on PH, and none on AT.

EDIT: If I look on AT for S2000s, budget of £11k, 50k miles maximum, 2005-on, there are 6 for sale. 4 have been previously written off, and 1 is sold. Going to be a hard one I think. When did the facelift happen on S2000s - do I need to be looking '04 on?

EDIT 2: By the way, I'm 6' 2-3", I just about get into the Z4 ok to be comfortable, but my knees are up a fair way - if they're smaller than a Z4 inside, it's probably not happening.
 
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Update: S2000's out - insurance is £lol - £1,255 from Admiral with £500 total excess.

I need to try a Boxster, might also make things tricky.

Edit: 2.7 986 is £715. - Go figure.

3.2 S is £1100. So that'll be a 2.7 if anything then.
 
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Hear me out on this one.. A Brabus Smart Roadster (coupé).

Involving to drive, but not uncomfortable. Something that feels "special" and perhaps a bit of an event to drive
  • With a £14 deactivation plug to turn off the ESP they can be quite eventful. And the triptronic gearbox / flappy paddle isn't to everyone's taste, but it does make driving a little more interesting and involving.

£10k budget
  • Can buy 2 with that budget. Or a nice, low mileage one that'll hold it's value.

An "interesting" engine
  • 700cc interesting enough for you? 101BHP - can be mapped to 120-130 with upgrades.

Reasonably quick - around 7s 0-60 is fine
  • Closer to 9s with a 'sports start'.

A reasonable boot - the Z4's is adequate as is, but it can't go any smaller
  • The boots are surprisingly spacious. I fit a weeks worth of luggage for 2 people + sleeping bags in mine with ease, and that's without the extra space under the coupé boot.

I'm not a badge snob, so make's not important, but I do want a good-looking car, and am partial to coupes and convertibles.
  • Check, check & check. Slightly more effort involved on the convertible side though.

Realistically reasonably reliable on the most important/expensive bits - IE engine, gearbox should be bulletproof. Ancillaries I'm more comfortable with not being as reliable.
  • Can be a little temperamental, but regular services can do wonders.

Handling on B-roads is more important than all-out speed
  • Amazing handling pretty much makes up for lack of top end speed.

Other things you've mentioned:

Space - I'm 6'2"-6'3" and fit comfortably inside. Even with my hair spiked up.
Size & weight - it's literally <-------this big-------> and weighs about 850kg.
Insurance - much lower than a z4, at least for me.
Fuel - 45mpg while hooning. Can get up to 65mpg (apparently)
Boot space - yup, not great. But the passenger foot-well is quite generous, and the seat fold down for more storage.

I know this post will get laughed at/ignored. But I really do recommend a test drive before rejecting the idea completely.
 
I think that I'd rather get a really nice, low mileage, well specced 986, even though it'll look older and more dated, if only to have pick of the market. I'd rather not "scrape" into a bracket. Maybe that's unfair, but I will have a look none-the-less. Is IMS bearing failure still a thing on the 987? Any major failure points to be wary of? As for the 997, see above.
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Have you seen the interior of a 986?... No way would you opt for one over a 987 unless you're a new porsche nut that has bought it from a overly enthusiastic 986 owner who you made love with inside that car and formed memories which made you need to buy a 986. Otherwise, the sane person goes for a 987.
 
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