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Hey everybody :)

I got myself a Slim Squeezebox and set it up today.

I've got to say - if you, like me, have a large collection of tracks, it's a fantastic device!
It sounds good too. When playing FLAC it's as good as my NAD T550 DVD player playing a CD, and not too shabby when playing MP3s.

It's pretty expensive - but if you have a wireless network and loads of music, it's brilliant. Certainly not the best quality hi-fi source, but maybe the most convenient and feature-rich (it even has a Last.FM plug-in already), and way too good sounding, considering what it's doing...
 
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Lol, nice one Codmate, enjoy :cool:

I posted about the squeezebox in the current post below this one. Spooky! :D

What amp and speakers have you got it set up with ?

I am waiting to (hopefully) move house next month before I get one, been playing around with softsqueeze on my lappy feed by my desktop over wireless network and have been impresssed with that. Have you tried connecting an mp3 player to your amp and if so how does it compare ?
How much hard disk space do you think you will need for all your flac files ?
I think I will need about 140Gb to start with, just as well hard drives are cheap these days ;)

There does seem to be various tweeks and settings that users try to improve the quality from reading the slim devices forum and others, if you try any let us know how you get on.
 
There is no comparison with connecting an MP3 player to an amp. The Sqeezebox is a real hi-fi component and sounds better to my ears than some CD players worth more.

I currently have it in my rubbish kitchen hi-fi (some apalling old Goodmans amp and JPW speakers (remember them?), so I'm doing it a bit of an injustice. I tried it on my Quad setup though - and it didnt sound too shabby, not too shabby at all.

I've read about various mods for it - but most of them aren't worth it IMO. The Slim Transporter is the thing to go for if you have more money to burn on audio quality.

Unfortunatly I have captured most of my CD collection in mp3 :(
Some of it is in 256 and some 320, but none of it sounds as good as FLAC. I did a quick blind test yesterday (albeit on my rubbish kitchen setup) and couldn't tell the difference between a WAV and FLAC. It doesn't seem to want to play back 48k wavs unfortunatly - which is a pain for me as this is how I like to record and master.

I can see myself spending the next year re-rencoding everything to FLAC (or maybe even to WAV). I'm estimating needing at least 300GB - so I shall wait until TB sized drives start appearing as I like to have backups of everything too.

This little setup is great for now though - and it brilliant being able to get internet radio, RSS news feeds and other stuff.

Quality-wise this is a gargantuan step over plugging your iPod into your hi-fi. It couldn't be easier to use either.

I'm very very impressed!
CD collections will soon be a thing of the past!
 
Until several TB hard drives are available I'll have to store my music in high bitrate OGG. 30GB of my own ripped/encoded from original CD's to OGG. I have iriver H140 which has optical output to high quality DAC, so that bypasses analogue section on the iriver.

Try OGG instead of MP3.
 
I have only had my SqueezeBox for a couple of weeks - but it beats having to find the right track/album from hundreds of CDs. :)
 
Codmate said:
There is no comparison with connecting an MP3 player to an amp. The Sqeezebox is a real hi-fi component and sounds better to my ears than some CD players worth more.

I currently have it in my rubbish kitchen hi-fi (some apalling old Goodmans amp and JPW speakers (remember them?), so I'm doing it a bit of an injustice. I tried it on my Quad setup though - and it didnt sound too shabby, not too shabby at all.

I've read about various mods for it - but most of them aren't worth it IMO. The Slim Transporter is the thing to go for if you have more money to burn on audio quality.

Unfortunatly I have captured most of my CD collection in mp3 :(
Some of it is in 256 and some 320, but none of it sounds as good as FLAC. I did a quick blind test yesterday (albeit on my rubbish kitchen setup) and couldn't tell the difference between a WAV and FLAC. It doesn't seem to want to play back 48k wavs unfortunatly - which is a pain for me as this is how I like to record and master.

I can see myself spending the next year re-rencoding everything to FLAC (or maybe even to WAV). I'm estimating needing at least 300GB - so I shall wait until TB sized drives start appearing as I like to have backups of everything too.

This little setup is great for now though - and it brilliant being able to get internet radio, RSS news feeds and other stuff.

Quality-wise this is a gargantuan step over plugging your iPod into your hi-fi. It couldn't be easier to use either.

I'm very very impressed!
CD collections will soon be a thing of the past!

Thanks for that codmate, it`s always nice to hear an objective assessment before spending the £s , especially as you have tried it with a quad set up :cool:.

I quess my ipod will be getting less use after I move and get a squeeezebox :D

The version of flac that I am using also has a graphical front end that will allow conversion / compression of wav files link here . I`m using the windows version with installer, which works with EAC and accurate rip as just a combined ripper / verifier and compressor from audio cds, link to suggested settings here, with eac just make sure you start the rip with shift + F6 rather than just F6 otherwise you will just end up with wav files ( got the t-shirt etc for this one :o )
 
Codmate said:
There is no comparison with connecting an MP3 player to an amp. The Sqeezebox is a real hi-fi component and sounds better to my ears than some CD players worth more.

Quality-wise this is a gargantuan step over plugging your iPod into your hi-fi. It couldn't be easier to use either.
Yeah the DAC in the Squeezebox is better than found in most CD players of couple hundred quid. And incomparable to that found in iPod-type devices.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17615659
 
Thinking of buying a CD player - don't!

Nobski said:
Thanks for that codmate, it`s always nice to hear an objective assessment before spending the £s , especially as you have tried it with a quad set up :cool:.

I quess my ipod will be getting less use after I move and get a squeeezebox :D

The version of flac that I am using also has a graphical front end that will allow conversion / compression of wav files link here . I`m using the windows version with installer, which works with EAC and accurate rip as just a combined ripper / verifier and compressor from audio cds, link to suggested settings here, with eac just make sure you start the rip with shift + F6 rather than just F6 otherwise you will just end up with wav files ( got the t-shirt etc for this one :o )

Thanks for the encoding tips - I'm certain they will come in handy over the next year or so! ;)

Today I think I finished tweaking...
...actually no - that probably isn't possible with this thing...
...but at least I stopped tweaking stuff for a while.

I've got it set up now so that I have the same playlist for my kitchen and for my office. It's just amazing to have the same music in different areas of the house.
The volume and power can be independent of each other, so that I can have the squeezebox off in the kitchen until I go decide to down there, at which point I can power on the 'Kitchen Squeezebox' with a button on my firefox toolbar.
I'm currently controlling most important SlimServer stuff this way as it rather handily has an http interface. You just send your browser to a certain URL and the software will skip, jump to an item in the playlist, or do any number of useful stuff.

I've also got the LastFM and MusicIPMixer (formerly Predixis) plugins working nicely, so that I can follow my charts on LastFM (http://www.last.fm/user/Codmate/) and generate mood-matched playlists.
One MusicIP tip is to download, install and run the MusicIP processing software before installing SlimServer, as SlimServer can then use the MusicIP library instead of manually scanning your collection.

If you already have SlimServer installed, you can clear its database by deleting \SlimServer\server\Cache\slimserversql.db (you will have to stop the SlimSrever service first).

I also highly recommend installing MusicIP as a service - do it like this:
After installing MusicIPMixer and running the scan and processing, close the application and open a command line.
Change directory to "\MusicIP\MusicIP" Mixer and then type "MusicmagicServer install"
Add the following value to your Registry using regedit (Edit, New, Multi-String Value):
Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\slimsvc\
Value Name: DependOnService
Value Type: REG_MULTI_SZ
Value Data: MusicIP Server
Then reboot.

The MusicIPMixer service will now start with the SlimServer - cool eh?! :cool:
There be some clever folks over at those SlimServer forums!

All this assumes you're running WindowsXP naturally.
As it's all open source stuff it's very cross-platform though, and I can imagine it being very tweakable anywhere. Hell - tweakable is the wrong word - the thing is entirely re-writable!

The plug-ins are in Perl (yes!) and there are easy ways to interface with SlimServer. I can see myself writing my own utilities, interfaces, skins, visualisers and even games (yes - the Squeezebox comes with a rudimentary Tetris clone!).

Basically the system is what you make it.
If it all sounds very complex and scary - don't worry - if you want to use it in a simple way, you can just switch it on, let it connect to your network and play music.

However, with the software being open source and so accessible, it becomes more than just a music player - it's a fantastic absorbing and brilliant audio techno-toy.

I have had it set up for slightly less than two days and I'm considering selling my CD players. Since you can connect a SqueezeBox (or Transporter) to an external DAC, why would you possibly need a CD player? The only thing to do then is replace the power-supply (if you worry about these things).
I've always been irritated by the mechanical noise of CD players when listening at low levels and now that problem is no more!

There are also jitter-correction benefits to playing music this way - rather than off a CD.

Another thing I haven't mentioned yet is the design of the SqueezeBox. I'm not one for prettiness. I've never been swayed by Apple's design aesthetic for instance, always choosing function over form. In this case however, I can't help but appreciate the style of this thing. It just looks great - and the fluorescent display is a marvel. It also feels pretty solid. I wouldn't want to test it - but it feels as though it would survive a drop from elbow height at least.

Bad stuff? Well, it does come with a 'wall-wart' type of power transformer which is never a good thing; and on the Quads I thought I could hear it. It's no worse than the power noise that comes from my current DAC and CD Player though (admittedly they are cheap Cambridge things - a CD4 and DACMagicII).
Also, depending on your configuration, SlimServer can get a bit confused if there are several music libraries on your system. This is pretty easy to sort out though IME. Just delete the SlimServer database and start again.
Oh - and if I power on my 'Kitchen Squeezebox' in the middle of a track playing on my synchronised 'SoftSqueeze', the track will jump back to the start. If the devices aren't synchronised this doesn't happen and they continue to play different playlists independently of each other quite happily.

My advice - don't buy any more CD transports (unless they are to go into your PC).
Oh yeah - and if you're ripping to mp3, change your ways. You'll regret it in the long term - I do!
If you can't tell the difference between FLAC and mp3 - first make sure you're listening to something acoustic (and well recorded).
Now listen to the cymbals. Listen to how they increase and decrease in volume. Get a mental picture of how smooth or jagged the transition in volume is. Now switch sources. If the transition is less smooth - the source has less resolution. On really poor sources hi-hats in-particular will degrade to just white noise.
 
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Wow, sign me up to the (future) squeeze box owners club :cool: codmate !


That`s some useful info there.
I find it interesting that devices like the ipod and now the squeezebox have changed the way we listen and enjoy to music.
Let us know if you come across any other useful tweaks / settings etc to use with the squeezebox.
I have been looking over toms hardware @ their review of the maxtor 1Tb NAS ( network attached storage) which seems like it might be useful for audio as well video PVR / camcorder stuff and as backup purposes, especially as it can be used as a usb print server. :)
As far as power supply goes, the little I have read on the slim devices forum and others have suggested that a linear power supply provides a good improvement on the overall sound.
 
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Yeah - these devices will certainly change the way we listen to music - and ultimatly how we pay for it too!

I forgot to mention another two downsides I can see to the Squeezebox earlier too.
The first is that skipping around the track isn't really possible. There is a scan mode (like on CD players) - but it's not as quick and easy to get to a certain point in the song as if you were listening in Winamp or Window Music Player.

The second is the price. It's a very expensive little box. Yes - the DACs are about the same quality you would find in a CD player of the same price, but you don't get a CD transport (which costs more to manufacture and include than the nice display and wireless network card that you do get I'll wager).

These things are gonna drop in price dramatically. I can see easily 'em being around the £100 mark or less in a year or two; so bear that in mind if you buy now. If they released a version without a DAC in it - that was essentially just a network device with digital out, that would be even cheaper to produce, probably knocking about £50 off the price, although the market would be limited for that sort of thing so I doubt we'll see it.

If you want one and can afford it (bearing in mind that prices will fall), then go for it is my advice. I'm a big fan already (if you couldn't tell ;) ).

I'll shut up about it now :D
 
A HTPC will do similar thing though (I've already got a HTPC) I suppose Squeezebox useful in locations elseware to your music servers...and easier to setup than MC front end, fluro display etc.
 
squiffy said:
A HTPC will do similar thing though (I've already got a HTPC) I suppose Squeezebox useful in locations elseware to your music servers...and easier to setup than MC front end, fluro display etc.
And it's cheaper and silent ;)

I'm still planning on building an HTPC for the TV though :)
Does anybody know if VIA still do that silent chipset (the CPU is passivly cooled).
 
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squiffy said:
A HTPC will do similar thing though (I've already got a HTPC) I suppose Squeezebox useful in locations elseware to your music servers...and easier to setup than MC front end, fluro display etc.

Agree, probably vista with its `instant on` feature will be more user frendly for most people as far as a HTPC goes. I think the display and wireless convinience has sold it for me but can see the appeal ( got a digitv card in my pc ;) ) not used much as I`ve got a Humax freeview PVR and a sony freeview DVD recorder which covers most of the functions I would need in a HTPC :)
 
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