st georges day

dustiestrat said:
so if a beer company tried to back saint georges day you reckon we'd get all the perks off paddy day doubt it it'll be stopped after a year because so ethnic would complain and goverment would listen to them rqather than its own ppl .
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And presumably you know this for a fact, os is it just 'OMG THEY TREAT IMMIGRANTS BETTER THAN WHITEY' paranoia?
 
yeah call me paranoid if you want but its my opinion in my area coucil banned anything remotley religeous in its shopping centres during xmas and the local school were told not to do nativity plays because ethnic complained that we shouldnt flaunt it in front of them but to me its more tradition yet they say they didnt want to see it and they got what they wanted .
 
Gilly said:
Before acknowledging a saints day for our country I'd like to see a decent saint.

I have no allegiance to a patron saint that a) wasn't born here, b) didn't live here and c) isn't exclusively ours.
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I should also point out that St George is the patron saint of syphilis.


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dustiestrat said:
yeah call me paranoid if you want but its my opinion in my area coucil banned anything remotley religeous in its shopping centres during xmas and the local school were told not to do nativity plays because ethnic complained that we shouldnt flaunt it in front of them but to me its more tradition yet they say they didnt want to see it and they got what they wanted .
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And presumably you can cite sources for all of this?
 
I thought beers like Bombadier and London Pride celebrated the St. George flag rather openly throughout their advertising. It's not a huge leap from Poster/TV advertising to St. George's day parade type things, akin to St. Patricks day.
 
it's the Irish abroad that celebrate St Pat's day.

You don't have to celebrate it at all.

If you can find enough people to organise a parade for St George's day then go for it. If you have enough backing (try sponsorship from a brewery) a good plan etc then I'm sure your council will back you up.

I'm Scottish but would happily join in any St George celebrations so long as there was some nice grub and free ales :D

Here in Belgium the have a party at the Scottish representation for St Andrew's day.

I never celebrated it when I lived in Scotland however.
 
dustiestrat said:
so if a beer company tried to back saint georges day you reckon we'd get all the perks off paddy day doubt it it'll be stopped after a year because so ethnic would complain and goverment would listen to them rqather than its own ppl .
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But what good, well known English beer could sponsor it? There aren't really any real ales that are well known and the only other option is Carling. They sponsor enough stuff already and who wants to drink that vile urine anyway? It's bad enough it's the only beer you can get at Reading festival, I wouldn't want to base a whole holiday around that crap.
 
Psyk said:
But what good, well known English beer could sponsor it? There aren't really any real ales that are well known and the only other option is Carling. They sponsor enough stuff already and who wants to drink that vile urine anyway? It's bad enough it's the only beer you can get at Reading festival, I wouldn't want to base a whole holiday around that crap.
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Camra ales!
 
platypus said:
I thought beers like Bombadier and London Pride celebrated the St. George flag rather openly throughout their advertising.
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Thats a fair point. If it was something nice maybe they'd fare better on SGD.
 
it's because we've been made to feel guilty for being english by our neighbouring nations.

"celebrate? being ENGLISH? how very dare you!"

B@Th*nG
 
Mr Mag00 said:
If you fly a St Georges cross you are labelled as a member of the BNP, and the ethnic majorities of this once great country would be offended.
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Do it anyway, it's your country :)
 
B@Th*nG said:
it's because we've been made to feel guilty for being english by our neighbouring nations.

"celebrate? being ENGLISH? how very dare you!"

B@Th*nG
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Which ones would those be? I can't think of any nations neighbouring England that would really give a stuff if the English* chose to celebrate St Georges day. I'd be surprised if apathy didn't have more to do with it than guilt about Englishness coming from other nations, well apathy and the lack of a big drinks firm tagging onto/promoting the day.

*or make it as inclusive as Diageo has for St Patricks day so anyone can join in and boost their profits.
 
semi-pro waster said:
Which ones would those be? I can't think of any nations neighbouring England that would really give a stuff if the English* chose to celebrate St Georges day.
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Probably the one which wants us to change "Waterloo station" to some other name and who was the root cause of the utterly ridiculous red on blue Trafalgar celebrations.
 
VIRII said:
Probably the one which wants us to change "Waterloo station" to some other name and who was the root cause of the utterly ridiculous red on blue Trafalgar celebrations.
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Curious, I'd not heard anything about Waterloo Station being insulting before but according to the BBC in 1998 some French politician did request a name change. I had heard about the Trafalgar situation before although I don't know if it was the French (or Spanish) who actually requested the red on blue rather than the actual sides being represented as normal.

I'm still unsure if the French (or any other nation) would be opposed to England celebrating their patron saint (who as you are no doubt aware is of Turkish ancestry anyway). It doesn't seem to impact, even tangenitally on anything that anyone else would care about so I don't see any reason why as a homogenous grouping the English should feel any guilt or have any problems celebrating the day if they should so choose. Perhaps this guilt or feelings of pressure to feel guilt are more imagined than actual?
 
semi-pro waster said:
Curious, I'd not heard anything about Waterloo Station being insulting before but according to the BBC in 1998 some French politician did request a name change. I had heard about the Trafalgar situation before although I don't know if it was the French (or Spanish) who actually requested the red on blue rather than the actual sides being represented as normal.

I'm still unsure if the French (or any other nation) would be opposed to England celebrating their patron saint (who as you are no doubt aware is of Turkish ancestry anyway). It doesn't seem to impact, even tangenitally on anything that anyone else would care about so I don't see any reason why as a homogenous grouping the English should feel any guilt or have any problems celebrating the day if they should so choose. Perhaps this guilt or feelings of pressure to feel guilt are more imagined than actual?
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There are various groups suggesting alternative true English Saints. St Alban being one of the proposed alternatives.
One of the problems with being English and celebrating being English is the assumption that pride in your nation is akin to hating foreigners or being a member of the BNP or NF brought about partly through excessive PC rulings from various barmy councils, partly through football hooliganism of the 80s and partly by the use of the Union Flag and St Georges Cross by groups like the NF.
The only way to break those associations is to take pride and fly whatever flag it is that you prefer and to shout down anyone who starts accusing you of being racist etc for doing so.

Google reveals many cases of councils banning flags under the guise of planning permission on homes, on health and safety grounds in the case of taxis and so on.
 
I'd lik to see celebration for St George and St Andrew, but for the right reasons, not "because Ireland is doing it, so must we". It's stupid, and ruins the whole point.
 
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