Stand your ground

Mr Badger · 9 Nov 2025 at 05:49

US cleaning woman shot and killed after arriving at wrong home

Police say they found Maria Florinda Rios Perez, 32, dead after she was shot on the front porch of a home in an Indianapolis suburb.

www.bbc.co.uk

Appears to be another tragic example of "stand-your-ground" gun culture madness where a US homeowner shoots someone who is not actually posing any threat to them.

Sending thoughts and prayers...

Grim5 · 9 Nov 2025 at 05:53

Stand your ground only applies when your life is in danger, for example someone is coming at you with a knife. A random person walking on your property and knocking on the door doesn't count and that's why this home owner will be going to jail for 20 years plus. If you absolutely don't want strangers on your property then put up a damn fence and gate

Americans are just dumb *****

Mr Badger · 9 Nov 2025 at 06:31

Some years back the issue got a lot of local coverage because a guy went to the states on holiday and was shot dead when he knocked on someone's door to ask for directions. Clearly it's still a problem.

It's just utterly bonkers that people believe it's acceptable to murder someone else in cold blood just because they are on your property and haven't even done anything to put you in real fear of being attacked.

Stranger on my porch? Shoot first and ask questions later...

Blackjack Davy · 9 Nov 2025 at 10:37

Its not the first time there was a black guy who was shot dead simply for walking through a neighbourhood a year or two ago he went to prison for a long time iirc. Its not about just because they're on your property its a fear of robbery etc black guy on your lawn? Must be an armed robber/hood thug.

413x · 9 Nov 2025 at 10:46

Grim5 said:
Stand your ground only applies when your life is in danger, for example someone is coming at you with a knife. A random person walking on your property and knocking on the door doesn't count and that's why this home owner will be going to jail for 20 years plus. If you absolutely don't want strangers on your property then put up a damn fence and gate

Americans are just dumb *****

You have so many Dumb as F but you also give them these lethal weapons.

As you say DaF

dave28 · 9 Nov 2025 at 11:09

No shock at all, I doubt 90% plus of American gun owners would pass a basic gun saftey test. They should not be allowed them so freely.

bazzabear · 9 Nov 2025 at 11:39

dave28 said:
No shock at all, I doubt 90% plus of American gun owners would pass a basic gun saftey test. They should not be allowed them so freely.

Indeed. They can't even spell saftey!

(Sorry - couldn't resist, but I agree entirely.)

dave28 · 9 Nov 2025 at 11:47

bazzabear said:
Indeed. They can't even spell saftey!

(Sorry - couldn't resist, but I agree entirely.)

lol, I am bilingual but terrible at spelling in both

Uther · 9 Nov 2025 at 11:52

Paranoid idiots + guns is a heady mix of stupidity.

HoneyBadger · 9 Nov 2025 at 12:35

Tragic? Yes.

Surprising? No.

Will lessons be learned? No.

Will it happen again? Absolutely.

Freakbro · 9 Nov 2025 at 12:44

Netflix documentary about the case of a woman shot dead by her neighbour, who claimed the stand your ground law.

The Perfect Neighbor (2025) ⭐ 7.1 | Documentary, Crime, Drama

1h 36m | R

m.imdb.com

A difficult watch, but worth it

aVdub · 9 Nov 2025 at 12:59

Knock Knock

Have you found jesus/double glazing/internet/trick would soon become a thing of the past if allowed in the UK.

Bang Bang

BUDFORCE · 9 Nov 2025 at 13:02

aVdub said:
Knock Knock

Have you found jesus/double glazing/internet/trick would soon become a thing of the past if allowed in the UK.

Bang Bang

Now we're talking.

Destination · 9 Nov 2025 at 13:16

Grim5 said:
Stand your ground only applies when your life is in danger, for example someone is coming at you with a knife. A random person walking on your property and knocking on the door doesn't count and that's why this home owner will be going to jail for 20 years plus. If you absolutely don't want strangers on your property then put up a damn fence and gate

Americans are just dumb *****

How would an average US citizen know this? This know nothing, virtually nothing, they hear a set or words, make an assumption, shoot first, lawyer up later.
''Stand your ground - that means i can shoot anyone for any reason, as long as they are on my property.''
You could probably ask half the senate and they would agree with you.

as you say Americans are just dumb *****

hornetstinger · 9 Nov 2025 at 13:19

Hopefully he goes in prison for long long time.

Dis86 · 9 Nov 2025 at 17:31

The laws are terribly implemented and terribly understood. Sadly the US is unlikely to ever change in our lifetimes.

hornetstinger · 9 Nov 2025 at 17:33

Reminds me of this

Missouri man who pleaded guilty in shooting of Black teen at wrong door dies

Andrew Lester, who is white, was charged with assault after Ralph Yarl, who survived, rang doorbell by mistake in 2023

www.theguardian.com

arknor · 9 Nov 2025 at 17:41

aVdub said:
Knock Knock

Have you found jesus/double glazing/internet/trick would soon become a thing of the past if allowed in the UK.

Bang Bang

BBC license men would have a hard time.
wonder if anyone in the USA ever got shot trying to drop off a package. ima guess yes.

must be dangerous to sell scout cookies too

aVdub · 9 Nov 2025 at 17:50

arknor said:
BBC license men would have a hard time.
wonder if anyone in the USA ever got shot trying to drop off a package. ima guess yes.

must be dangerous to sell scout cookies too

I guess with a nation of so many that are allowed to handle lethal weapons, anything is possible.

I like the idea of bbc licence tax collectors being first in line

Mr Badger · 9 Nov 2025 at 18:21

aVdub said:
I guess with a nation of so many that are allowed to handle lethal weapons, anything is possible.

I like the idea of bbc licence tax collectors being first in line

The mass ownership of lethal weapons is dumb. The stand your ground law (or at least the public perception of what it means) seems to make the situation worse.

I haven't really gone looking for historic data, but my perception from the stories of which I am aware, is that it tends to be older white men doing the shooting in these cases.

The US isn't exactly renowned for having great mental health care provision (unless you are rich/well insured) but it does have a reputation for violent crime. And lots of gun ownership. Aside from there probably being at least some racists who would take the chance to shoot a non white person unlucky enough to knock on their door, there must be a lot of borderline "crazy" folk our there who are also gun owners. A diet of Fox News and social media, or maybe just some run of the mill regular paranoia, combined with being able to keep a loaded gun near your door "just in case" does seem unlikely to end well for unexpected visitors.