starlink or wireless

Btone

Btone

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we live in the country side. I can get FTTP at my house, but my brother (who lives on a different road) can not.
his house is just under 500m away and we have a clear line of sight . a family of 3 (2 who like being on social media and 1 gamer) and a wife who works from home and he like to watch movies stream tv.
would he be better getting a starlink in for high speed internet or setup a wireless bridge and use my fiber ?
so that they can all use the internet together, with there current setup he can't stream if someone else is using the net, and even at that it not that great
 
Btone said:
we live in the country side. I can get FTTP at my house, but my brother (who lives on a different road) can not.
his house is just under 500m away and we have a clear line of sight . a family of 3 (2 who like being on social media and 1 gamer) and a wife who works from home and he like to watch movies stream tv.
would he be better getting a starlink in for high speed internet or setup a wireless bridge and use my fiber ?
so that they can all use the internet together, with there current setup he can't stream if someone else is using the net, and even at that it not that great
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Have they checked for alt-nets?

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WJA96 said:
Hop counting.
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C’mon, we both know you’ve got better odds of winning the lottery than getting a call from your ISP because you have added a wireless bridge to another building and they have noticed some traffic abnormalities, besides, it’s pretty common to do for outbuildings etc.

For the op, P2P may be an option, but consider what you are getting yourself into here. If someone downloads something questionable, it’s you getting a strike, or potentially a door knock at 5am. If the connection drops, it’s you getting a call/the blame when someone misses a shift. Obviously you’d want to VLAN each site for privacy and thats going to need somehing other than your average ISP supplied router and management/set-up, presumably you are doing that and dealing with firewall rules and port forwarding? Same question with ISP fault issues and access when you are away etc. What‘s happening with regards to payment, are they contributing towards the bill? What happens if that doesn't happen. I’m not saying don’t, but I am saying that there are a lot of potential questions that you need to consider the answers to.
 
Avalon said:
C’mon, we both know you’ve got better odds of winning the lottery than getting a call from your ISP because you have added a wireless bridge to another building and they have noticed some traffic abnormalities, besides, it’s pretty common to do for outbuildings etc.
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The question was asked “how would they know?”, and I answered it.

I think you might find such monitoring is very common/ubiquitous simply because they have a legal duty to know where their customers actually are. Suppose the OP isn’t actually asking for a family member but it looking for a neat way to avoid being home when the authorities visit? And this wouldn’t be a small amount if traffic. This would be a literal doubling of traffic in a day when it was switched on, all from 2-3 extra hops away.
 
For similar reasons given by Avalon, I’d avoid sharing. I had a problem with my WiFi a year back, I was surprised how they recognised every device I was using.
 
WJA96 said:
The question was asked “how would they know?”, and I answered it.

I think you might find such monitoring is very common/ubiquitous simply because they have a legal duty to know where their customers actually are. Suppose the OP isn’t actually asking for a family member but it looking for a neat way to avoid being home when the authorities visit? And this wouldn’t be a small amount if traffic. This would be a literal doubling of traffic in a day when it was switched on, all from 2-3 extra hops away.
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You did, but you could have answered it better by providing context.

Many things will have changed in the industry since I last worked in it, but the COSAR database liability for example is still only a thing on the telephony side afaik, the implications of that being wrong in the event of a 999 call could be massive, as were the fines if they were.

Beyond that you’ve seemingly gone off on a slight tangent with little or no real basis or context. We don't know data numbers for either home, so doubling seems a stretch, could be more, could be less, and two lots of bugger all is… bugger all. I mean in a world of games being several hundred GB and updates equally huge along with commercial 4K streaming being a thing, it would have to be quite extreme utilisation to flag. Oh and in the event of a door knock at 5am, if they are serious enough to do that, they are serious enough to work out a P2P link is in place between two properties.

One thing that hasn't been given much consideration up till now is the ISP’s contract will almost certainly give them the right to terminate the service if they did become aware op is in effect re-selling it. However unlikely, that could cause issues going forward in terms of taking an alternate service and id expect to be facing a bill for the remainder of any contract at least.

Again, i’m not disagreeing with your statements, factually you're correct, just trying to provide context so the op can make a more informed choice rather than several of us just telling them it’s an awful idea because reasons.
 
Btone said:
we live in the country side. I can get FTTP at my house, but my brother (who lives on a different road) can not.
his house is just under 500m away and we have a clear line of sight . a family of 3 (2 who like being on social media and 1 gamer) and a wife who works from home and he like to watch movies stream tv.
would he be better getting a starlink in for high speed internet or setup a wireless bridge and use my fiber ?
so that they can all use the internet together, with there current setup he can't stream if someone else is using the net, and even at that it not that great
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Is 5G an option for your brother? This is Smarty for me (costs £15 a month no contract). Obviously you have the outlay for the kit but a quick speed check just now (this is with my VPN connected and I'm about 4KM from mast with no LoS).

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WJA96 said:
The question was asked “how would they know?”, and I answered it.

I think you might find such monitoring is very common/ubiquitous simply because they have a legal duty to know where their customers actually are. Suppose the OP isn’t actually asking for a family member but it looking for a neat way to avoid being home when the authorities visit? And this wouldn’t be a small amount if traffic. This would be a literal doubling of traffic in a day when it was switched on, all from 2-3 extra hops away.
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What hops do you think they’ll see?

OP - I helped a mate do this around 10 years ago and still get bothered about it now so be warned
 
Firegod said:
But £75 a month good? :confused: Honestly if 5G is an option take that over Starlink unless you have money to burn. I'm not knocking Starlink - but the price to me just makes it a last ditch choice.
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Yeah, that's what Starlink is. Should only be used by folk with no other comparable options. If 5G coverage/capacity is looking good, it's probably the better option, certainly cheaper!
 
no 5g and 4g is poor, part of the reason why ive fitted wireless into most of my sheds as 4g is so slow, so i don't think the "number of hops" as i would just show them the farm, as for them miss using it, they over in my house half the week anyway using it for "school projects" anyway, so if i can get good internet in their house is save me a fortune in food :) .
it more a speed/bandwidth thing, would a wireless link have enough ?
 
Illusion said:
What hops do you think they’ll see?

OP - I helped a mate do this around 10 years ago and still get bothered about it now so be warned
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I am vastly simplifying this, so don’t shoot me if I get my overall number of hops wrong!

Every time data passes from one device to another it needs to make sure it can get back to the originating source so it counts up every time. These are called hops. The current hop count is included in the packet header in the data you send and receive. And incremented when the data is passed on from your device.

If you have a mobile phone on a data plan there will only be one hop from your phone to the cell tower. If you tether your phone then you get an extra hop from the tethered device to the phone then to the cell tower. So your ISP knows you’ve tethered the device and it can block any traffic over 1 hop. They actually do this if you don’t have a ‘tethering’ contract.

If you have an ISP with a home broadband connection, then 99.9% of your traffic should be 2 hops - client to router, router to ISP. In reality that’s not correct (lots more hops because of how Ethernet works), but it illustrates the example correctly.

If you do what the OP is suggesting then you get a hop from the remote client to the remote router, then a hop to the point-to-point bridge, then a hop to the other end of the bridge, then a hop to the router and finally a hop to the ISP. You can easily set up firewall filters to look for excessive hops which indicates connection sharing. There are small wireless broadband operators in the UK that do exactly this to ensure their connections are not being abused.

@Avalon is absolutely correct that they’re unlikely to target anyone but this technique is real and works.
 
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