Statistics on the number of fatal accidents by car make and model

neocon said:
Where would I find statistics on the number of fatal crashes by car make and model?

I don't mean the NCAP rating, I want to know which are safest and least safe from the perspective of fatal accidents.
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You certainly used to get figures like that.

I remember back in the 80's (?) seeing one that, IIRC, had Jag (XJ40?) at one end with 2% of accidents resulting in an occupant fatality and 2CV at the other end with 45% accidents resulting in an occupant fatality! :eek:
 
Struggling to find anything. All I can get is US based stats. If they are anything to go by the stats show that the smaller cheaper cars are most deadly, think of Kia Rio, Hyundai Accent.

After that it's the Camaro and the Silverado from Chevrolet. I guess that's on account of their popularity.

If that data can be transferred to the UK I guess we will be looking at popular small cars like the Corsa, Fiesta and the Citreon C1 type cars. All small cars that are commonly driven by young, inexperienced drivers.
 
Nissan Micra 's are quite deadly in certain situations, packed with five occupants and involved in a high speed crash. I think there was a crash on the A1 where all 5 died in Micra.

Cars are weird, I mean everywhere in life we are told about the dangers of doing things (eg eating fatty foods). Small cars can travel at 100mph , but if you crashed them at perhaps 40mph into a static object, like a big tree, you'll most likely die. There's not much warning on the wrapper though.

Is it a kind of racket between car manufacturers and safety bodies? Government back handers?
 
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Orionaut said:
You certainly used to get figures like that.

I remember back in the 80's (?) seeing one that, IIRC, had Jag (XJ40?) at one end with 2% of accidents resulting in an occupant fatality and 2CV at the other end with 45% accidents resulting in an occupant fatality! :eek:
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I can imagine the 2CV's nice metal dash provides good head protection.

My parents neighbor wrapped a Jag around a tree and she is in wheel chair permanently. Had to completely convert their house adding in a lift.
 
neocon said:
Nissan Micra 's are quite deadly in certain situations, packed with five occupants and involved in a high speed crash.
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All Micra's are deadly on high speed roads, they should only be for slow inner city driving and pizza delivery, imo.
I would still love a diesel turbo k12 though, you can have a lot of fun modding them, and they are cheap to do!
 
I'm struggling to understand why the Nissan Titan is so high up, it's a massive truck, yet the Pathfinder, which it's basically based on, is one of the safest
 
stopper said:
All Micra's are deadly on high speed roads, they should only be for slow inner city driving and pizza delivery, imo.
I would still love a diesel turbo k12 though, you can have a lot of fun modding them, and they are cheap to do!
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In Japan they have lots of little cars like that (Kei cars), but people don't drive them as fast as we do. As you say they make great urban vehicles.
 
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acemastr said:
I'm struggling to understand why the Nissan Titan is so high up, it's a massive truck, yet the Pathfinder, which it's basically based on, is one of the safest
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Rollovers

I wonder if gender plays a roll. I bet all Titan's are driven by men.
 
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neocon said:
Where would I find statistics on the number of fatal crashes by car make and model?

I don't mean the NCAP rating, I want to know which are safest and least safe from the perspective of fatal accidents.

Like this
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/7-of-the-deadliest-cars-on-the-road/

Ford Fiesta, Ford Focus, Golf are some of deadliest cars on that list and also some of the most popular in the UK.
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I might be using a broad brush but it looks like small light cars are less likely to protect you than a large heavy car.

It would not be especially shocking news to have it confirmed that a car with larger crumple zones ends up with less damage to occupants.
 
Isn’t UK unfortunately (never found any data for that), but it will have a significant number of the models sold in the UK.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/insurance-loss-information

But as above, the larger the vehicle the safer it is generally. With SUVs being safer than saloons and hatchbacks, with the exception that very large cars are generally slightly safer than small SUVs.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/g...tyfacts/passenger-vehicles#Driver-death-rates

Are you looking for a study, or for personal use for a car purchase?
 
neocon said:
Ford Fiesta, Ford Focus, Golf are some of deadliest cars on that list and also some of the most popular in the UK.
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Surely the reason that these are some of “the most deadly” is that they ARE the most popular. There are simply more of them, so the chances of being in a fatal crash are exponentially higher. I think the reason the figures you are looking for are so scarce is because they would mostly be meaningless. The NCAP style results should tell you all you need to know about passenger cell safety anyway.
 
paradigm said:
Surely the reason that these are some of “the most deadly” is that they ARE the most popular. There are simply more of them, so the chances of being in a fatal crash are exponentially higher. I think the reason the figures you are looking for are so scarce is because they would mostly be meaningless. The NCAP style results should tell you all you need to know about passenger cell safety anyway.
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They’re deaths per million units. I.e the vehicles aren’t rated by total deaths, but deaths normalized against the number of vehicles sold.

That said even if it was number of deaths not normalized you wouldn’t be correct either. The likes of the Tacoma and Cherokee way outsell small vehicles like Fiestas and Golfs in the US.

Fiesta and Golf sales data
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/ford-fiesta/
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/volkswagen/volkswagen-golf/

Tacoma and Cherokee sales figures
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/toyota/toyota-tacoma/
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/jeep/jeep-cherokee/

It’s also worth noting that the NCAP and IIHS (US equivalent) safety ratings are confined to the specific class of vehicle, so a 5 star safety rating for a small hatchback does not mean it is as safe as a 5 star rated large SUV. You can only really compare vehicles within their own class so if you’re looking at cross category (such as a Mondeo vs a CRV) then they arent particularly useful.
 
Amp34 said:
They’re deaths per million units. I.e the vehicles aren’t rated by total deaths, but deaths normalized against the number of vehicles sold.

That said even if it was number of deaths not normalized you wouldn’t be correct either. The likes of the Tacoma and Cherokee way outsell small vehicles like Fiestas and Golfs in the US.
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Even if the figures are normalized, you're still more likely to get figures (fatal accidents) for the better selling vehicles (as there are more of them on the road, and more of them involved in crashes of any kind). If a particular car has only sold 8,000,000 units, compared to say 100,000,000 units, there simply weren't as many of the car that only sold 8mil units to be caught up in the statistics in the first place. This is why statistics can typically be used (read manipulated) to prove or disprove almost anything.
 
TallPaul1878 said:
Struggling to find anything. All I can get is US based stats. If they are anything to go by the stats show that the smaller cheaper cars are most deadly, think of Kia Rio, Hyundai Accent.

After that it's the Camaro and the Silverado from Chevrolet. I guess that's on account of their popularity.

If that data can be transferred to the UK I guess we will be looking at popular small cars like the Corsa, Fiesta and the Citreon C1 type cars. All small cars that are commonly driven by young, inexperienced drivers.
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Surely we are looking at two different types of statistic here.

All other things being equal, the incidence of fatality will be highest for the most popular cars.

A better stat is likely to be the one that I was talking about which was more related to survivability in the event of an accident.

And as ever, A Good Bigun is always going to be better than a good Littleun

neocon said:
I can imagine the 2CV's nice metal dash provides good head protection.
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Not to mention the deckchair seats. (Mind, I would still quite like one, they were great fun to drive surprisingly)

The thing was, they really were a 1930's car still made in the 80's. Citroen had wanted to stop making them for years but those awkward people, AKA customers, kept wanting to buy them. Right up to the end of production, The 2CV factory in France hadn't changed much since it was built. As I recall, the dreadful working conditions meant that only Algerians would work there)


neocon said:
My parents neighbor wrapped a Jag around a tree and she is in wheel chair permanently. Had to completely convert their house adding in a lift.
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It is easy to forget that Death isn't necessarily the worst thing that can happen...! :/
 
Amp34 said:
Isn’t UK unfortunately (never found any data for that), but it will have a significant number of the models sold in the UK.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/insurance-loss-information

But as above, the larger the vehicle the safer it is generally. With SUVs being safer than saloons and hatchbacks, with the exception that very large cars are generally slightly safer than small SUVs.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/g...tyfacts/passenger-vehicles#Driver-death-rates

Are you looking for a study, or for personal use for a car purchase?
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I'm interested in general and I was thinking of buying an SUV, however good one's are expensive. Seems a large estate would be quite safe too, but cheaper.

I surprised this information isn't publicly available in the UK, because it might affect peoples buying habits.
 
paradigm said:
you're still more likely to get figures for the better selling vehicles as there are more of them on the road, and more of them involved in crashes of any kind
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^ This.
I'd think you would be better off measuring those actually on the road, with the percentage of those on the road that had fatal crashes. Otherwise I could quite legitimately claim that a Ford Capri or an Escort XR3i are among the safest vehicles around.... which I'm fairly sure they aren't!

Also, fatality doesn't necessarily reflect complete safety.
Firstly, I'd want to look at KSI figures - that being Killed or Seriously Injured - as the latter part can be more devastating if you have to live with it rather than being killed outright.
Secondly, you do need to look at the type of incidents, as a big SUV might be awesomely protected in a head-on with another vehicle, but the higher centre of gravity makes them more likely to roll or understeer and go off the road, so you'd need to look at all the lone vehicle crashes too.
 
Amp34 said:
Isn’t UK unfortunately (never found any data for that), but it will have a significant number of the models sold in the UK.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/insurance-loss-information

But as above, the larger the vehicle the safer it is generally. With SUVs being safer than saloons and hatchbacks, with the exception that very large cars are generally slightly safer than small SUVs.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/g...tyfacts/passenger-vehicles#Driver-death-rates

Are you looking for a study, or for personal use for a car purchase?
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Clicking on your first link then sorting, picking large and then by best to worst, it seems no coincidence that it’s high performance cars that come off worse, three Bentley models, BMW’s M6,M3,M4 and i8 two Maserati’s and the Audi RS7 are listed.

I doubt it’s the cars that are inherently bad more the speed they are capable of and I’m sure that would be the factor in these particular fatalities.
 
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