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The driving game threads on this forum are a complete waste of time, can't we just discuss GT5 OR FM3? Is it that bloody difficult?
Steering wheel for 360/PS3
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So basically, it's everyone else that has a problem, deriding one game with largely baseless opinions,whilst simultaneously lauding other games 'features'?
No wonder 99% of all threads you enter go one way...
There is no point in trying to convince him. He just can't see what he comes across like to normal people.
Its strange that with all the "fanboys" on here, all the GT threads are quite civil.
Having owned the G25 and Fanatec turbo S, id highly recommend the Fanatec. Having just upgraded the firmware on mine it is now pretty much perfect. Before the Fanatec i used pretty much the only other option at the time, of a G25 and a MS wireless wheel... This combo of 2 setups is cheaper than the Fanatec solution, but takes up much more room and the MSwireless is pretty damn poor. My only real issue with the Fanatec is the stock pedals, they work perfectly have enough resistance on the pedals and take a pounding, but the plasticy finish feels cheap, Ill be ordered the clubsport pedals as soon as ive got free cash, but im currently putting all my money into the real thing (BMW e36 tracktoy)
So basically, it's everyone else that has a problem, deriding one game with largely baseless opinions,whilst simultaneously lauding other games 'features'?
No wonder 99% of all threads you enter go one way...
No I think the problem here has been you and some others cant accept that me and not everyone was as impressed with FM3 as some of you perhaps were or still are.
If people like yourself wont allow someone to have a different opinion then its impossible. Straight away your on the offensive and anyone reading this will see that the point being raised here was if "Steering Assistance" which is in the game was an issue for the OP which may or may not reflect on their purchase decisions. What "Steering Assistance" does or how it effects the game is open to debate, however that does not take away from the fact its in the game and not in others that we are aware of.
Demon yove turned the whole thing into a FM debate and hardly were looking at it from the perspective of the OP making a large purchase or if this bothered them or not... As it turns out it does to a degree but like me Im sure he will still enjoy the game with the wheel however may find like me just wishing for a little more from it.
The OP has stated he shares similar feelings to mine that for him FM3 was lacking a little. Do you want to attack him now for thinking such? As a sim I have tried to give my own opinion that even at its highest setting its not difficult enough from a challenging drive viewpoint. So while being a decent racer it lacks that extra learning curve difficulty. Is that not a fair opinon, why have you a problem with it?
No other game should have been brought into question and at no time was I referring to GT but based my comments on FM3 as a game and the Turbo S wheel. Several of you have been tossing your attitudes around on a witchhunt as per usual and even speaking out about GT5 thinking I cared but looking for more response.
So go ahead and count how many times you guys tried that stunt on me or brought up GT5 to compare it. You see you have to ask whos been trying to cause trouble here and whos just pointed something out about FM3 that some people in the community wish could be turned off and possibly make the game even more challenging...
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What you can't accept is that we know Forza doesn't have cetain features. But we like the game anyway.
We are just sick of you bringing it up any chance you get. The OP has played the game before so he doesn't need to be told that the game doesn't have more than 8 players, flags, weather, day/night cycles. Things which HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH STEERING WHEELS!!!!!!!!!
It is a console game, and we would all love to have these things, but sometimes you just have to stop whining about what you don't have, and appreciate what you do...which is a fine console racer.
We are just sick of you bringing it up any chance you get. The OP has played the game before so he doesn't need to be told that the game doesn't have more than 8 players, flags, weather, day/night cycles. Things which HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH STEERING WHEELS!!!!!!!!!
It is a console game, and we would all love to have these things, but sometimes you just have to stop whining about what you don't have, and appreciate what you do...which is a fine console racer.
As I stated on numerours posts it is a good racing game you and others fail somehow to see that mentioned. You guys just are too quick to jump the gun and get all fired up when anything said about the game is brought into question. Perhaps you want to tell Demon then he has no need to go on and on about FM3 features and remind everyone how great it is in his posts, eh.
Your right the OP did state what his thoughts were on FM3 so I suggest you re-read them and at least Ive been thanked for pointing out the "SA". Why dont some of you guys relax a little instead of getting so worked up thats what I cant understand.
Its not because we disagree with the features it lacks, it's because you bring them up for no reason. You just go off on one, can you not see it?
The OP probably wouldn't have even noticed the SA issue if you hadn't have brought it up. And although it does have relevance to the thread, it's because of your reputation why people responded the way they did. Sadly, it will always be like that and you only have yourself to blame.
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I'd have to say the SA must be bust on my copy. I'm pretty sure anyone that's shared a track with me would agree 
I dont think I was the one that started going off on one and quite frankly Ive been fair in not trying to take the whole thing to such VS nonsense which has nothing to do with it.
So now the issue then is that "I brought it up" not that its actually their. Im sorry that you cant allow others to have their own opinion and see the reason in bringing it up for the attention of the OP and his situation. The problem is several of you jumped at the chance to argue because of past differences in opinion regards the game, your still at it and cant let it go.
Bear in mind my opinion/comments of FM3 were not aimed at anyone else or to create such a BIG DEAL. Demon by this stage had already sang FMs praises on its superiority as a sim which I foolishly referred to as "dumbed down". I was asked by the OP to comment on wheels and Forza. I gave my opinion nothing the hell to do with any of you guys but yet you guys had to take it upon yourselves to make it an issue. Furthermore this is not a Forza thread and the OP had asked for input from me. Dont like what was said then fine offer your own input to the topic regards the "SA" or wheels in general to his requests thats all that had to be done and avoid the situation.
Ive done nothing wrong and at least tried to be cival about it and help the guy.
I suggest you read post 12 to see who went and took the whole thing off course bringing personal differences to the thread and making a debate out of it.
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Which part of that are you justifying your retaliation on. Please don't say its the "silly" part, because he's right. They haven't dumbed anything down, only given players the option to make things easier.
nvm,
Anyway, back OT,
I was talking to 5 owners of the Turbo S last night (Including myself), and have discovered some issues I think the OP should be aware of..
1. It does 'hang' a little more often then it should, all using the latest firmware, we've all experienced that occasionally the wheel just hangs, resets to show '---' and you have to power cycle to recover it, this is on the PC with rFactor, FM3/Race Pro on the 360 and GT5p on the PS3. It's not too bad, but it's happening more often then we'd like, I lost points in an rFactor tournament I'm in because it bugged out, with no steering etc, I just went straight on and inevitably it ended my race!
2. The standard pedals seem to problematic at times, with them not responding or getting 'offsets', I don't have them myself, but the two guys that do both said they'd stopped responding on more then 1 occasion (power cycling fixed it), and one had a set that had an offset (i.e. brake was constantly dragging), and had to send it back for repair/replacment.
3. The headset support for the 360 isn't perfect, some people say it doesn't always recognise they have a headset plugged in, I have the issue that using a better headset, the microphone is over amplified and over sensitive, and 4 times now, people have said it just outputs a high pitched squeal, I have to unplug the headset and reset the wheel to cure it.. I may contact Fanatec about this..
But, apart from that there are some real positives
1. Universally, the Clubsport pedals are massively worth it, 3 of us have them, and two of those came from the standard fanatec pedals. For me, the step up from the MS pedals was dramatic, much more control of the throttle, and the vibrating brake works so well in a lot of games.
2. The ability to store different settings is just a godsend, I have rFactor/GT5p/FM3 settings dialled in, all are quite different, and being able to just switch between them is a huge benefit.
3. This ties in with 2, but the amount of adjustment on wheel is very good, some games don't offer some settings, or sometimes are limited in their range, the wheel allows this to be overcome, having a wheel setup to suit your driving style can make an appreciable difference to your laptimes.
As far as the wheel itself, it's good, I'm still on the fence as to if I prefer gear or belt driven wheels (The Turbo S is belt driven), it does have a little soggyness to the force feedback, most noticeable if you have to 'saw' at the wheel when correcting a slide, as you suddenly change direction, you lose a fraction of tension and it feels a smidge artificial.
My brother has the G27, and I'd honestly say that in a couple of tiny ways I prefer it's slightly more taught feel, but it just doesn't have the adjustability or convenience of the Turbo S, which if you want to hop between different games and do like to set things up 'just so', you really can't get around.
Anyway, back OT,
I was talking to 5 owners of the Turbo S last night (Including myself), and have discovered some issues I think the OP should be aware of..
1. It does 'hang' a little more often then it should, all using the latest firmware, we've all experienced that occasionally the wheel just hangs, resets to show '---' and you have to power cycle to recover it, this is on the PC with rFactor, FM3/Race Pro on the 360 and GT5p on the PS3. It's not too bad, but it's happening more often then we'd like, I lost points in an rFactor tournament I'm in because it bugged out, with no steering etc, I just went straight on and inevitably it ended my race!
2. The standard pedals seem to problematic at times, with them not responding or getting 'offsets', I don't have them myself, but the two guys that do both said they'd stopped responding on more then 1 occasion (power cycling fixed it), and one had a set that had an offset (i.e. brake was constantly dragging), and had to send it back for repair/replacment.
3. The headset support for the 360 isn't perfect, some people say it doesn't always recognise they have a headset plugged in, I have the issue that using a better headset, the microphone is over amplified and over sensitive, and 4 times now, people have said it just outputs a high pitched squeal, I have to unplug the headset and reset the wheel to cure it.. I may contact Fanatec about this..
But, apart from that there are some real positives
1. Universally, the Clubsport pedals are massively worth it, 3 of us have them, and two of those came from the standard fanatec pedals. For me, the step up from the MS pedals was dramatic, much more control of the throttle, and the vibrating brake works so well in a lot of games.
2. The ability to store different settings is just a godsend, I have rFactor/GT5p/FM3 settings dialled in, all are quite different, and being able to just switch between them is a huge benefit.
3. This ties in with 2, but the amount of adjustment on wheel is very good, some games don't offer some settings, or sometimes are limited in their range, the wheel allows this to be overcome, having a wheel setup to suit your driving style can make an appreciable difference to your laptimes.
As far as the wheel itself, it's good, I'm still on the fence as to if I prefer gear or belt driven wheels (The Turbo S is belt driven), it does have a little soggyness to the force feedback, most noticeable if you have to 'saw' at the wheel when correcting a slide, as you suddenly change direction, you lose a fraction of tension and it feels a smidge artificial.
My brother has the G27, and I'd honestly say that in a couple of tiny ways I prefer it's slightly more taught feel, but it just doesn't have the adjustability or convenience of the Turbo S, which if you want to hop between different games and do like to set things up 'just so', you really can't get around.
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I only know 1 person with it, my brother, he has had zero issues, it works flawlessly every time, but he does keep saying he would like to change it for a Turbo S + Clubsport pedals, this may just be because I keep beating him, and he is blaming it on the 'tools' LOL..
Regards the wheel losing its snyc yes I had that as well at times with the X360. However I dont think its done it with the RF Dongle I use with the PS3.
Maybe worth checking to see if thats happened to others using the RF Dongle for PS3/PC connection.
About the FFB well different wheels all feel a bit different. I did on some games like a bit of the drift mode to be applied to give a slight amount of return force which Thomas shows in the video although only in playtesting will you find a good combination between FFB strength and if using or not using Drift mode. All personal preference really.
If youd like further help as well the best guy I can think of is a friend on GTP forums. Hes a moderator by the name of "Delphic Reason" and is still an active Beta tester for Fanatec. He has a review of the new tuning kit due soon as well as the budget wheel coming and has great experience with all the Fanatec range. Probably could also give insight to the G27 as he was one of the selected testers for Thomas to do that in the USA.
The pedals have an issue in one way that to alter their settings/positions is a real pain in the backside. Also the Rumble in the brake pedal is a bit weak than some would like it. A few guys I know were discussing ways to upgrade that or as Ive managed in testing to be able to have it activate a Buttkicker as well for much stronger effect through the whole pedals.
Maybe worth checking to see if thats happened to others using the RF Dongle for PS3/PC connection.
About the FFB well different wheels all feel a bit different. I did on some games like a bit of the drift mode to be applied to give a slight amount of return force which Thomas shows in the video although only in playtesting will you find a good combination between FFB strength and if using or not using Drift mode. All personal preference really.
If youd like further help as well the best guy I can think of is a friend on GTP forums. Hes a moderator by the name of "Delphic Reason" and is still an active Beta tester for Fanatec. He has a review of the new tuning kit due soon as well as the budget wheel coming and has great experience with all the Fanatec range. Probably could also give insight to the G27 as he was one of the selected testers for Thomas to do that in the USA.
The pedals have an issue in one way that to alter their settings/positions is a real pain in the backside. Also the Rumble in the brake pedal is a bit weak than some would like it. A few guys I know were discussing ways to upgrade that or as Ive managed in testing to be able to have it activate a Buttkicker as well for much stronger effect through the whole pedals.
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