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Something with a decent amount of heft about should be a good enough deterrent.
Steering wheel locks
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I have my front seat electrics on a switch in my van, they are out of a range rover, if i recline and move them all the way forward its impossible to sit in the seat and they are built like tanks, it would take some serious force to be able to move them manually and im not sure you could do so without breaking them.
While that’s useful when you have put your keys down in your house say overnight, it’s not helpful at all when the remote relay is in someone’s hand walking behind you as you leave your car in a car park. It also doesn’t help with replay attacks.
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thats a very good point re: car parks
is there anything you can do if you have a keyless entry feature ? can you disable the keyless entry in the menu somewhere ?
idd rather press a button than leave it open to attacks
I can only speak from experience with Toyota, keyless entry/starting can be turned off via the car menu system on the previous and current generation of my car (RAV4) and you can also use a button press combo to prevent the key broadcasting (low power mode), that won’t prevent replay (RollJam) style attacks from pressing the button to unlock it, but it’s better than nothing. Toyota have also implemented the key motion sensing system discussed earlier on current generation fobs.
My options are basically as follows:
Turn off keyless - annoying, still vulnerable to RollJam (replay) attacks.
Leave it on and mitigate - you use the fob to lock/unlock and put the fob into power saving mode each time when leaving the car. You could also use a faraday pouch and obviously some form of insurance approved steering lock. Realistically you only need to make your car less desirable than the next easiest car to steal and in my case a 7 y/o 2ltr 2WD Toyota diesel worth under 10K doesn’t seem an obvious target, but I would rather not be proved wrong.
Having experimented with disabling keyless, it’s annoying - I have to literally touch the key to the start button to disable the immobiliser and allow starting, it’s the same with each restart, other than the start/stop system, so you end up having to keep the keys accessible. If they had fitted a key-slot, it would have worked better.
I had the best way years ago on my XR2.
I just took the steering wheel off when I got home (or chucked it in the boot if out and about)
Depends on the lock core, a lot of these (whilst relatively well made physically) unfortunately come with cheap wafer cores which can be raked open in a couple of seconds by someone with no skill at all.
I always figure that if someone is going to steal your car, they are going to do it (or at least try) whatever you do.
I would prefer the convenience of keyless/not having to faff about with some massive steering lock everytime i get in and out of the sodding car.
Also, the easier the better, because if an attempt has been made to break into it and/or it has been stolen, i wouldn't want it back. Thats what insurance is for.
I would prefer the convenience of keyless/not having to faff about with some massive steering lock everytime i get in and out of the sodding car.
Also, the easier the better, because if an attempt has been made to break into it and/or it has been stolen, i wouldn't want it back. Thats what insurance is for.
You don't even need a special tool, I've opened wafers with a paper clip and screwdriver before.
Regarding keyless - the Zoe I had had the best system IMO:
If you lock the car by walking away, the keyless works as expected - walk up to the car, push the button on the handle, it unlocks.
If you lock the car using the button on the fob, it can only be unlocked by pushing the button on the fob. Easy and intuitive, no need for motion sensors/sleep mode/faraday bags etc.
I’ve lost a key for a padlock (honest
) and have been astonished by the number of ways that they can be opened.I’ve lost a key for a padlock (honest
Yeah, after watching a few Lockpicking Lawyer videos on youtube, I'm a lot more picky about which locks I use! Most of them are nothing more than a symbol of security
My elderly neighbour was very dismayed at how easily I "opened" the cheap Chinese lock on her garden gate using the 2 spanner method after she lost the key - and yet wanted to go out and buy another one of the same £2 lock to replace it! (I ordered her a decent one instead)
Yeah, after watching a few Lockpicking Lawyer videos on youtube, I'm a lot more picky about which locks I use! Most of them are nothing more than a symbol of security
My elderly neighbour was very dismayed at how easily I "opened" the cheap Chinese lock on her garden gate using the 2 spanner method after she lost the key - and yet wanted to go out and buy another one of the same £2 lock to replace it! (I ordered her a decent one instead)
I watched someone open a crap Chinese bike lock with just a hammer
They like using the cheapest metals availible.
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Disklok is the best but a lot of hassle to install all the time, get the one below it , good enough
The one below it? The Stoplock?