Steven Gerrard

[nikebee]

I'm just watching MOTD and this isn't the first time he's caught my attention... I surely cannot be the only person who really dislikes this man?

He's constantly berrating officials, looking for fouls and persuading referees to make disicions that go his teams way.

He does it for club and country, and it really cheeses me off.

I know he's not the only player to look for fouls, or talk to refs but he continually does it.

Against Villa, he ran into a player turned around and shouted at the ref... got the free kick and scored from it giving Liverpool a draw.

Today against Everton he went down in the box and got a penalty, which was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other... both players were sort of all over each other.

Yellow card comes out, Gerrard has a word and it turns from yellow to red.

His performances for Liverpool are always average, with the odd moments of good play or a brilliant long range shot or freekick... For England he's nearly always sub-par though...

Surely I can't be the only one who's noticed this or feels this way??

 

[nikebee]

the issue this afternoon was that the ref was pulling the yellow card out, which was clearly wrong. the defender was the last man, therefore should get a straight red.

To be honest I'm not arguing that it was a red card... it clearly was he was the last man.

That ref in that game was terrible.

First challenge on Lescott was debateable... the last one was a stone wall penallty... Hansen described it best... assault.

The kung-fu kick looked damn near close to what Cantona did against that Palace fan years ago...

Either way... he was a good foot in the air, two footed challenge... should have been a red card.

I'm saying that Gerrard turning to the ref who had made his mind up saying it's yellow... puts his card away and changes to red after talking to Gerrard.

I think freshy said it best, he's an intelligent player... but he gets away with too much.

He goes down incredibly easily, looks for fouls and if he thinks it wont be given he plays on the ref and makes it go his way.

 

[nikebee]

.... and you're saying that other teams/players don't do this? What makes him so much worse than any other player out there?

Not at all, I did say in my OP that he's not the only one in the world that does it... perhaps I just notice it more with Gerrard.

 

[nikebee]

The thing I hate most about Gerrard is that he rarely performs well for England.

Exactly, another one of my points.

He never performs to his full potential for his country, why!?

He just seems over-rated at times.

As far as his tactics goes, I'm well aware he's not the only one who does it, but as I said maybe I just notice it more being a Utd fan and him being a Liverpool player *shrugs*

 

[nikebee]

What a rubbish thread,

Yes Gerrard proberly did change the refs mind but thats not his fault, countless other players would and have done the same thing (Lucas did for the 2nd pen) but if the ref cracked under the pressure or genuinely thought about it and changed his mind then thats not Gerrards fault.

I'm not saying it's just about this one incident, it's about him as a player.

Why is it a rubbish thread?

What are you opinions of him having many subpar performances in the last season and a half... and why he hasn't been playing well for England?

 

[nikebee]

Whether I support United or not I would have still posted this.

I suppose always average was a touch harsh. He does have good games at times, but more often than not its pretty normal (if thats the right word?).

Certainly the last year or so (perhaps since Liverpool won the CL) his performances have gone downhill.

 

[nikebee]

Because whilst they may chase referees, I feel they are both solid performers for club and country.

Rooney has dry spells up front, sure but nobody can deny he's a fantastic player.

Terry does berate referees if he feels something doesn't go his teams way, and sure Rooney will chase a referee for half an hour if he feels he's made a bad decision but neither seem to have the referees in their pockets as much as Gerrard does in the Premiership anyway.

For some reason it just seems when ever Gerrard looks at a referee it goes his way

On the topic of not answering questions, you never answered my question about his string of poor performances for England?

edit:
I don't count scoring 23 goals as a great season to be truely honest.
Gerrard takes freekicks and pens... and does score some cracking long range efforts. But to be fair you can still be a poor performer and just bang in the odd freekick to get 23 goals.

 

[nikebee]

When Rooney was playing for England under Sven though he was often stuck up there on his own up front. Rooney needs another player up there to play forward of him so he can drop off.

He was stuck in an unnatural position.

In Euro 2004 he scored 4 goals in three games before getting injured.

In the world cup he had only just come back from injury (broken metatarsal wasn't it?) and was struggling to find match fitness and fair enough, didn't score at all.

But I think he came back too early from his injury, perhaps due to media presure? There was an awful lot riding on him getting fit in time for the World Cup.

Need I remind you that Rooney is still only 21 years old?

Euro 2004 he was 17/18 playing for his Country, and would have been what... 19/20 when playing in a world cup as your countries main striker.

 

[nikebee]

No no, I assure you this was a thread about Gerrard in general... it was mearly brought on by what I saw on the TV that provoked the thread

And yes, I do accept the fact that it's not only Gerrard that does it.

And yes... of course Gerrard isn't the only player who's had subpar performances for his country recently.

Dare I mention Michael (Sometimes you make me wonder why your worth so much) Owen, and Paul (I've just dropped another clanger) Robinson?

 

[nikebee]

Because I'm of the opinion that Gerrard does it worse than Rooney, and Gerrard is also more overrated than Rooney - hence why it says Steven Gerrard as the thread title and not Wayne Rooney.

I could have made a thread about John Terry, but I don't think he's overrated... he argues with officials and tries to turn games around by doing so... (which really annoys me sometimes actually) but he also performs well on the pitch.