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i set the white balance on the camera today and the results were astonishing...they were great..

now the difficulty lies in getting the metal to show as is it..its a shame I forgot to upload the shots I took after using a custom white balance on the camera..

They actually looked better when I put the cufflinks on a piece of white card and then shot them as opposed to shooting them in the lightbox..

But as said above, im finding it really hard to show the material (type of metal) of the cufflinks, for example rhodium cufflinks are very reflected and in many instances the result looked as if the cufflinks were mat rhodium or brushed metal...

is there anything I can use / do to make shooting reflecting metals easier?

thanks for your continued help n support
 
I think you should be answering this:

How important is it to show the products as they really are compared to the catalogue shots?

If the catalogue shots are producing sales and providing enough info for the consumer to consider buying your cuff-links then carry on as you were or maybe buy a macro lens for larger crops of the 'links in each shot.

If the metal type and the light properties of those metals are really crucial to your sales then I would consider more control over your lighting as well as a macro lens.

At the end of the day the details such as surface texture are more likely to come across from a macro lens which has the subject lit properly than a kit-lens with standard lighting.

It all comes down to what you or your company is prepared to pay and what you're after.

I'm sure with a bit of practice you could get the shots you want with the kit available to you, by the sounds of things you've improved more than 100% since this thread started but you will eventually get to the point where your current kit and skills reach their limitations. This is not an excuse to throw money at the problem, but you need to know when to say when.

Panzer
 
panzerbjorn - this man speaks the truth..

yesterday when I compared the better exposure shots I took to those we pay a professional company to take for our catalogue, I discovered I needed to sit down with the M.D. and show him better exposure shots vs catalogue shots. Which would enable to clarify his instructions regarding the type of shots he was satisfied with. To say whether the type of metal was now being shown at its best level prior to purchasing more equipment or alternatively saying "yes you have captured it as I want it"....

As you say since the start of this thread I have improved the exposure 100%, have captured the design of object much more clearly and realized the lightbox is not producing good results compared to putting the object on paper...therefore I feel you are right in suggesting I can only move forward once he clarifies his instructions re: the type of shots he required..

So I can have a response if the question is asked, what would I need to do to take images as per the 2 catalogue shots I posted previously?

Alternatively please advise that if I changed the lens (please confirm which one I would need and how much it would cost) would I get a better shot so that I can easily differniate between the different type of metal being used in our cufflinks be it all rhodium, part rhodium and mat rhodium or simply brushed??

Also Rakiri mentioned a polarizer, do you think this would really help? If yes, what does a polarizer do? how much do they cost? which one do you think I would need?

Finally, do you think I would benefit from purchasing some cheapy desk lamps so I can have light coming down on the subject and then lets say 1 from each side? whilst the subject is sat on a white piece of paper?? Also in our office we have those horrid tube lights behind grids in the ceiling which I understand are soak up light ( i think ) do you think it would help if I had a totally dark area which I could add light to , lets say I had a dark area where I could place subject on white piece of paper then add 1 desk light from above looking down and the one from either side...the desk lamps would just have those normal cylindrical bulbs....do you think this setup would help more then what I have now?

thank you for all your help and comments, its really helping me a lot and increasing my passion for photography.

cheers :)
 
hehe cheers mate. :)

I'll try to cover all your questions:

1. In order to get similar shots to your catalogue examples you will need a macro lens and good lighting. A light tent would be good because then as you said, you can light it from the top and the sides and have more control over it. The macro lens will make the 'links fill the frame and should be sharper.

2. As far as a macro lens goes I'm probably not the best person to ask as I don't shoot macro (yet) but just from being on these forums for far too long I can say that the Sigma 105mm macro f/2.8 is highly regarded. You should be able to get it for £250 (maybe less) and it's sharp, gives you plenty of control over DOF and at 1:1 magnification it will fill your frame nicely which in turn should show up the surface detail of the cuff-links.

3. I'm not familiar with the different types of metals that you would be working with or their properties but for the most part you should be able to show different textures from shiny to matt to brushed through your lighting. It's all about highlighting the specific properties of each item. A link with a shiny finish could have a main light coming from the front which would give it a catch light to suggest a reflective surface. A brushed finish could be lit primarily from one side to produce slight shadows in the grooves of the brushed effect. Once you have the equipment it shouldn't be too hard, with a bit of trail and error, to get the effects you want.

4. A polariser is useful for removing unwanted reflections but in some cases you might want those reflections to highlight surface texture so it's not always going to be the best choice. Also, a Circular Polariser works best 90 degrees to the light. In a light tent which is lit from three or more sides this will be quite hard to achieve. I would say save yourself the £30-50 that a decent Hoya Pro1D Circular Polariser would cost for the Sigma 105mm (just as an example, other lenses with a larger filter diameter will be more expensive) and if you find that you cant control the reflections through your lighting then maybe think about getting one.

5. This is a two part question really; as far as finding a dark corner in which to work I would say it's not essential. The strip lighting in your office will affect your white balance slightly but it shouldn't affect your exposure too much if you have control over your other lights, especially if you use a light tent. Taking a custom white balance will eliminate the WB problem as would shooting in RAW and editing in Photoshop but I prefer to get as much of the shot right 'in camera' rather than relying on software.

As far as getting 3 desk-lamps goes, it will give you more control over shadows and highlights and it's a fairly cheap solution rather than buying dedicated studio lighting or flash guns. However, if you just shoot with the lamps the lighting is going to be very harsh and if the bulb wattage is low, you might have to tweak your WB and exposure a bit to get what you want. Using desk lamps with a light tent (as shown previously) is favourable because it will diffuse the light (softer shadows etc). A light tent will also give you a uniform background, floor and walls. If you want to shoot the links at 'eye' level like you catalogue shots rather than 'top-down' like your current photos then you will need to think about what's behind the 'links as well as the surface they are sat on. A light tent will solve all of these problems.

On a side note, if you want the reflections under the 'links like in the catalogue shots then you're going to have to get creative in Photoshop. I'm pretty sure they have added the reflections during processing because having a mirrored surface under your subject plays havoc with the lighting.

I hope that clears up some of your questions, if you need any more info feel free to ask. :)

Good luck mate, I hope the boss it prepared to give you another £300 if he's not happy with the latest images.

Panzer
 
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