Still think circumcision is wrong?

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:09

Think again! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6502855.stm

International experts have backed the use of male circumcision in the prevention of HIV.

Let us see those who would say otherwise now.

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:14

Raikiri said:
Yes, it is wrong to cut off pieces of children. Regardless of the effects they should be allowed to decide themselves. It isn't like a baby will be at risk from HIV... well not in any way that circumcision would prevent.

By that logic, let us allow all kids candy whenever they want without adult supervision or making the decision as to how much they can eat.

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:17

Longbow said:
"Trials done in Africa"

This isn't Africa... condoms are easy enough to get around here so there is no need for circumcision.

Trials of several drugs and experiment are done in this country....do we have to dimiss them on the basis of location? NO! It is as valid as one done in america or switzerland!!

So what about people who wants to do it to their kids? I htink it is within their right to do so.

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:19

MookJong said:
This is like saying it's probably best if I cut off your toes, then you will never get an ingrown toenail.

Not in anyway similar or parallel.

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:21

Samtheman1k said:
Yes, but it is where the risk of infection comes from. THe research may well be valid, but the risk of infection in some countries is less than others, so circumcision can be overkill.

Whether you buy it or not. HIV is on the increase in the UK - thanks to influx of people and carefree attitude of the young generation. So is stds on the rise too. Perhaps it is time we look into this and not just dimiss it.

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:23

Raikiri said:
And 'candy' is the same as body parts?

Why are people quick to rolleyes.....it is so weak! My point i made is that some decision are made for kids throughout a certain stage and i belive circumcision is one of those decision the adult have to make on their behalf. Please debate without emotions consuming you.....

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:27

Longbow said:
The point is, they were done in Africa because Africa has a big AIDs problem, we here in the UK don't.

As stated in the article:

"...recommendations largely apply to countries where rates of heterosexual transmission is high."

And it still doesn't dismiss the negative side of getting your foreskin chopped off.

So are you saying there isnt a rise in number of HIV and STDs in the UK? Are you saying we dont have a high transmisssion rates between homos and heteros?

If it was done for many advantages...why cant you look at that and see the bigger picture? Or are you saying, let us not take the forskin off and let them have a higher potential of catching HIV? Knowing fully well that condom is not popular over there in some instances...

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:30

Raikiri said:
The rolleyes wasn't out of emotion, purely awe at your stupidity.

Do you really have much to say or wanna keep playing the intelligent supremo?

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:31

FTM said:
people are stupid then..I would rather wear a condom than let a man near my bobbys helmet with a scalpel

Have you ever been to africa to live for a year or even six months in the shanty areas? Until you do, you wont understand.

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:35

Raikiri said:
I have said what I have to say and yet you feel the need to reply with ridiculous analogies rather than an actual argument.

You posted this

Raikiri said:
Yes, it is wrong to cut off pieces of children. Regardless of the effects they should be allowed to decide themselves. It isn't like a baby will be at risk from HIV... well not in any way that circumcision would prevent.

And i replied by saying that allowing kids to make decision for such things later in life is not exactly an option from certain parent's perspective. As they time it would be done, (circumcision) the kid cant exactly make the decision other than the parent. Also, i know people who have got it done at a later stage in life (one was 24) and from what i see, i would have preffered he had it done as a kid and he even agreed.

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:36

Tombo said:
Well we aren't in Africa are we.

I have a foreskin and I don't have HIV or Aids, I'm a medical miracle!

Yes we aint but then let's not be quick to dismiss what we might not truly understand. (have shown by plenty people so far)

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:37

Zefan said:
Personally I think in a society that doesn't use condoms (for whatever reason) such as the one you're talking about then yes they should do whatever they can to prevent it, including circumcision.

Part of what i am saying and what people dont seem to wanna hear. (remember this aint my first thread on this issue)

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:41

Zefan said:
People haven't directly said that it's wrong to do it in a place where it's needed, when we generalise we generalise in the context of our own society and situation, not all of them.

Maybe you hit the nail on the head there - when i read it i take it as they not wanting done or seeing it as cruel practice in relation to africa....if you catch what i mean.

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 15:45

Raikiri said:
You replied with some rubbish about sweets, they are different things.

In this country, and most other developed countries a child will not be at risk from HIV so it is something the child should be allowed to decide when they are old enough. So what one person you know thinks it would have been better to have it done as a kid, their opinion might be different if they hadn't been given the choice.

I made an anology about how kids might not exactly make the right decision.....If only you wanna see what i meant.

See Zefan's post.
While some might not agree with it happening here people can at least let it go on in africa and see the reason as to why.
Yes it might not be needed here (for now) but with the rise in stds and hiv cases even though we have plenty of safe sex initiatives here...maybe introducing it here might not be a bad thing or do we wanna wait till when it is at african levels before we act? Just a thought.

ElRazur · 28 Mar 2007 at 19:48

james.miller said:
me thinks El should get a circumcision and sleep around with infected prostitutes. maybe he can tell us how effective it is?

would you do it ElRazur? are you brave enough?

I was circumcised few days after birth.... If there is enough money...why not.