Stop drinking tea on moral grounds?

Tom0 said:
Ohhh my bleeding heart.

I'm out.
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Let's just hope that you or any of your loved ones never need a helping hand in life :rolleyes:


Raymond Lin said:
I don't think you get what I am saying.

I am saying, be a good person, sure you should have morals, and no, just because something is happening on the other side on the world you shouldn't ignore but now tell me. What are you going to do by not drinking tea, not have any phones, tell me, what laptop/tablet/phone are you using?

Are you going to be a hypocrite about it all and pick and choose which sector is okay to exploit?

Support the people who champion clauses if you want, but don't tell me it is not okay to drink tea while typing it on your iPhone sitting in front of a Sony television.
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The issue I have is many people seem to have such a defeatist attitude and an all or nothing approach!
We ALL can make a difference if we spend just a few minutes researching and trying to buy from companies that are more ethical, it's as simple as that.

A good website to help has already been posted:

http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/
 
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Weird thing is that tea isn't cheap either, good quality tea can be expensive. The people who grow it must be getting paid well, they should be able to maintain a staff of people to pick it who are also reasonably well looked after too!
 
Raymond Lin said:
Support the people who champion clauses if you want, but don't tell me it is not okay to drink tea while typing it on your iPhone sitting in front of a Sony television.
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I really hope the thread doesn't come off as me telling anyone to do anything.

It was me asking myself if I should stop drinking tea, and even then I never said I was going to. But I will certainly look for a more ethical brand. Noticed that Twinings comes at the absolute bottom, and that's what I'm drinking currently.
 
Eulogy said:
Weird thing is that tea isn't cheap either, good quality tea can be expensive. The people who grow it must be getting paid well, they should be able to maintain a staff of people to pick it who are also reasonably well looked after too!
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Higher price just means more profit bigger bonuses for most companies, highly doubtful that it's passed on to the pickers.

Unless by good quality tea you mean one of the ethical team companies?
 
Boring, if people cared they wouldnt buy anything, consumerism is a disgusting fetish that will eventually force everyone (dem poor people yo) into those conditions or we pay vastly more (to keep dem rich shareholders happy yo).

Thus boring.
 
sigma said:
Higher price just means more profit bigger bonuses for most companies, highly doubtful that it's passed on to the pickers.

Unless by good quality tea you mean one of the ethical team companies?
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I know but it's just a shame that it isn't, I'd be happy to pay more for tea if it did mean that the people on the ground were looked after better - wishful thinking I know.

As you say it would probably would just wind up lining the pockets of the wrong people.
 
FoxEye said:
The amount we'd have to sacrifice to bring all the worlds poor out of extreme poverty wouldn't be anywhere near that bad.
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Really? According to David Attenbrough's series "Humans" there are only enough resources on Earth to sustain a global population of 1 billion if everyone were to live like your "average" American.

The Earth currently has 7 billion people on it.
 
If you want a moral reason to eschew tea then you don't need to worry about this particular issue.

Just check out the historical relationship between Tea and Opium and the devastating effect that it had on China.

I find the The fact that most of the current wave of designer drugs/legal highs are being exported to the UK from China to be somewhat Karmic!
 
estebanrey said:
Really? According to David Attenbrough's series "Humans" there are only enough resources on Earth to sustain a global population of 1 billion if everyone were to live like your "average" American.

The Earth currently has 7 billion people on it.
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There's quite a bit of wiggle room, when starting at earning £1/day. £365 a year. Think about that.

The average American will earn vastly more than that. The median wage in the US per person is $26,695.

It's not all or nothing. We don't have to jump to a communist system where everybody earns £6k like we've already said.
 
FoxEye said:
There's quite a bit of wiggle room, when starting at earning £1/day. £365 a year. Think about that.

The average American will earn vastly more than that. The median wage in the US per person is $26,695.

It's not all or nothing. We don't have to jump to a communist system where everybody earns £6k like we've already said.
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Forget money, that is a man made concept. Look at the amount of resources on Earth.

There aren't enough resources to sustain every single person in the world having their own car for example yet the thought of not being able to buy your own car in the UK is alien to us and not being able to (a necessity of getting everyone around the world to an equal standard in terms of what they can expect from life) would feel like a noticeable drop in living standards.

In short, the idea that the world's poor are only living like that because a small group of greedy people are keeping them so isn't true. For the world's poor to get anywhere near our standard of living would require ours to drop (as the amount of resources of Earth is finite).
 
Yeah but these guys on these plantations don't need cars or iPads...

They just need running water, sanitation, a decent meal...

None of that needs rare Earth minerals, or oil, or...
 
You should probably look up tin ore mining exploitation and then stop using any device held together with solder. Starter for ten, computer, router, mobile, tablet, tv, kettle, toaster, etc....
 
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