Subtitles in English films (for foreign language snippets) are they separate to the video?

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I was watching a blu ray rip yesterday and I noticed no subtitles on a small foreign language bit (English film) I know in some films this is normal but it made me wonder

Is this contained in a subtitles separate to the video
Or
Is it hard coded into the video itself?

I always assumed the second option.. Therefore I delete all the subs from the rip

 

[413x]

Normally separate, though they can normally be found on the net .srt.

Why would you delete tiny tiny files!

When I first set up my Htpc I had issues with subtitles always being on as default

The subtitles are separate, hence why you can exclude them from the rip. It also explains why you can find and add subtitles back to a film where they were deleted.

What happens where films include a short scene in another language is more of an artistic choice. The Director may decide to add onscreen subtitles burned in to the film. i'e' They are part of the picture just like the credits, and so they appear whether subtitles are selected or not. Alternatively if that part of the scene isn't crucial to plot development then the Director might decide to leave it blank. However, the subtitling is generally done by specialist firms, and they might decide to subtitle the scene including the foreign language section. This could be either in the original language, or as a translation, or simply as "[Speaks Hungarian]"

Occasionally there's duplication. I have some films where there's burned in titles and also menu-selected subtitles.

So the answer largely depends on the Director's artistic decision and how good the subtitling firm is at following instructions.

So if they aren't burned in (like credits) and you make an mkv how do you know what subtitles to play with the film to avoid full subtitles and just keep any short foreign segments in an otherwise English film

Film i was thinking of the other day was avengers

 

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A quick Google suggests there are subs for this part so I have obviously deleted them

I'm guessing when watching a normal blu ray from disc it must know what track to select corresponding to what language. Ie if you select English with no subs it selects the subs track for just the foreign parts

If ripping to mkv is this maintained if you keep all the English tracks ?

Balls. I don't think I can be bothered to re rip for a few lines of subs