Summer Transfer Thread 2018

Jose has actually said he'd like to sign 2 more players and Zlatan said he thinks something big is in the works. I hope both things are true.

We are in serious danger of being cut adrift from the elite clubs in terms of squad quality, and Mourinho looks primed for a huge implosion too.

I hope things are much better behind the scenes, but there are a big couple of weeks ahead.

In my view we are very weak at centre back with only Bailly who is good enough but also injury prone, and we seriously lack a creative influence in the final third. Fred seems to be more defensive, Pogba should be more of a box to box player like he was for France.
 
Didn't Mourinho say something along the lines of "what I want, isn't what I'll get"? I've seen his pet dog Castles has been reporting that Mourinho isn't happy with Woodward, again!
 
Pretty much shows Mourinho has no intention of being there for the long haul. Just trying to grab a league title while he can, then skipping off into the sunset and leaving some other poor sod to pick up the pieces of an aging squad.

That’s why he’s always got a face like a wet Wednesday, he’s not interested in building for the future, which is obviously what the Utd board are expecting of him. He’s not getting the heavy financial backing he wants to buy instant success, like he did at Chelsea and Real Madrid.

He’s probably delighted with all these 0-0’s he’s collecting. Hoping it continues to put pressure on the board to wade into the market.
 
Shamikebab said:
It's not like he's only signed aging players though. In fact the aging players are very much the exception.
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They’ve all been well established players though. It’s like the board want him to unearth some 19-20 year old gems and bring them through. That’s never been Mou’s forte.

Or maybe they’re just fed up of feeding him money. He’s spent over £430m since he’s been there. What have they got to show it for it, one FA Cup? Risky to keep giving the same man cotchels of cash like that.
 
Shamikebab said:
It's not like he's only signed aging players though. In fact the aging players are very much the exception.
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How much has that been down to him though and how much of that is down to the restrictions being put upon him? You only have to read Castle's article where he's criticising Woodward for the lack of transfers and citing that Mourinho wants Willian or Perisic but the deals are considered too expensive due to their age. And that's coming from Mourinho's own propaganda.

I've said it time and time again, Mourinho only cares about today. It doesn't matter to him if the player is 19 or 39, if they can do a job for him he'll take them and he doesn't care if it's at the long term expence of the club he's at. Mourinho will not think twice about letting Martial go if it means he can sign Willian.
 
But he's just signed Dalot, I young promising right back. And in previous years Lindelof and Bailly. It's unlikely he'd want to get Perisic and Willian, it's very much one or the other, he clearly wants a workhorse winger.
 
Robbo said:
Jose has actually said he'd like to sign 2 more players and Zlatan said he thinks something big is in the works. I hope both things are true.

We are in serious danger of being cut adrift from the elite clubs in terms of squad quality, and Mourinho looks primed for a huge implosion too.

I hope things are much better behind the scenes, but there are a big couple of weeks ahead.

In my view we are very weak at centre back with only Bailly who is good enough but also injury prone, and we seriously lack a creative influence in the final third. Fred seems to be more defensive, Pogba should be more of a box to box player like he was for France.
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I dont get why United fans are so down at the minute. You were awful last season, your football was negative and boring....you finished second. Sanchez cannot play any worse...Lukaku will improve, Pogba will improve with Fred Elliot behind him.

Maguire tho...not for me but better then Jones.
 
Shamikebab said:
But he's just signed Dalot, I young promising right back. And in previous years Lindelof and Bailly. It's unlikely he'd want to get Perisic and Willian, it's very much one or the other, he clearly wants a workhorse winger.
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He has two in Sanchez and Lingard doesnt he? I mean not conventional wingers maybe but wide, work horses?

I like Willian but his fee would be unreal...which means you'll pay it probs.
 
BaZ87 said:
I know Salah's deceptively strong for his size but he embarrassed Maguire at Anfield this season when Maguire tried to bully him.
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How many times did Torres embarrass Vidic, latter was still considered one of the best in the world at the time

Obviously HM isn't there yet but he is still hands down better than any centre half at OT baring Bailly at the moment, and could play at the top level for another 7 years+

He isn't worth what the papers are saying even after considering british player + transferring between EPL clubs , both which will bump up the price considerably but also a lot better than you are trying to make out.

Robbo said:
We are in serious danger of being cut adrift from the elite clubs in terms of squad quality, and Mourinho looks primed for a huge implosion too.
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I cant see anything else happening imo, who ever we get now (if anyone) will have no pre season at all so will have to get used to the team around them very quickly (or sit on the sidelines for a while)

The squad is bloated by average to **** players who have hung around too long, and lets face it really had 5+ 1st team spaces that needed filling at the end of last season and so far filled one (CM / DM) with a player who might turn out decent but isn't tested in the top 4 leagues in Europe ...although looked good in the CL (which is rarely as full on as the league imo)

Arguably need two full backs, a centre back, another cm (rightfully ignoring Fellaini) and a hard working (right) winger. Were never going to get all of those but to only have one position strengthened by now is pathetic for "the biggest club in the world". Dalot may well turn out good, but that is going to take a few seasons and Valencia & Young are just waste of space / wages (and Young being voted the best Left back in the WC was a complete joke).

Its ridiculous how badly Woodward has lost the plot, I guet we need to get some money back on Darmian, but the remainder of his contract must be worth £3m or so (I think he cost around £13 when he arrived) …..but trying to get £15-20m is daft beyond measure for someone who barely plays

Personally given how well Peresic played last season and in the WC has vindicated JM trying to get him last summer, and not signing him over a few million in the transfer is ****** stupid. Maybe he wouldn't have made a huge difference to where we ended up but the way he plays would have made it a much better functioning team at the very least and less to do in a shortened window (due to WC and few elite players moving for that month)


omnomnom said:
I dont get why United fans are so down at the minute. You were awful last season, your football was negative and boring....you finished second. Sanchez cannot play any worse...Lukaku will improve, Pogba will improve with Fred Elliot behind him.
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Its pretty obvious - Liverpool have signed well (at least on paper) and plugged a lot of their "holes" with very decent signings City were way above us and whether Mahrez makes much difference or not they will be there or there abouts again, Arsenal have seemingly signed 1/2 new team , Chelsea will splash the cash now their manager has arrived and Jorginho is a spectacular signing already

Right now Utd fans would have to be optimistic to even consider finishing 4th (with a lot of luck) - that's without considering what the JM implosion will cause...which is already in full swing
 
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omnomnom said:
He has two in Sanchez and Lingard doesnt he? I mean not conventional wingers maybe but wide, work horses?

I like Willian but his fee would be unreal...which means you'll pay it probs.
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It might be we never would have gone for Sanchez if we signed Perisic, who knows.

Lingard is better in the 10 position than out wide.
 
FrankJH said:
How many times did Torres embarrass Vidic, latter was still considered one of the best in the world at the time

Obviously HM isn't there yet but he is still hands down better than any centre half at OT baring Bailly at the moment, and could play at the top level for another 7 years+

He isn't worth what the papers are saying even after considering british player + transferring between EPL clubs , both which will bump up the price considerably but also a lot better than you are trying to make out.
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I think you misunderstood what I meant by embarrassing him. I was talking about his perceived size and strength - the ball got played into Salah with his back to goal and Maguire tried to get touch tight to him and bully him off the ball but Salah just pinned him, spun him and left Maguire on his arse. Had it been a Lukaku or Drogba then it would be more understandable but a big burly CB shouldn't be getting outmuscled by Salah.

Whether Maguire's a noticeable upgrade on your other CB options is subjective but being better than Lindelof and Jones doesn't make you top class. Again, I'm not saying Maguires a bad defender - there's some talk that we have an interest in him and at £25m, as back-up to Lovren and VVD I wouldn't be against it but he's not, in a million years, anywhere near as good as VVD and if he does cost anything like what we paid for VVD then you've been robbed blind.
 
BaZ87 said:
I think you misunderstood what I meant by embarrassing him. I was talking about his perceived size and strength - the ball got played into Salah with his back to goal and Maguire tried to get touch tight to him and bully him off the ball but Salah just pinned him, spun him and left Maguire on his arse. Had it been a Lukaku or Drogba then it would be more understandable but a big burly CB shouldn't be getting outmuscled by Salah.

Whether Maguire's a noticeable upgrade on your other CB options is subjective but being better than Lindelof and Jones doesn't make you top class. Again, I'm not saying Maguires a bad defender - there's some talk that we have an interest in him and at £25m, as back-up to Lovren and VVD I wouldn't be against it but he's not, in a million years, anywhere near as good as VVD and if he does cost anything like what we paid for VVD then you've been robbed blind.
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Not saying he will but lets see if HM joins what he is like at VVD's age - he could easily be up at that level with more experience , it wouldn't be that much of a shock as you are making out.

robfosters said:
Are you a bit nervous about Sanchez this year, or are you confident he’s gonna be back to his Arsenal best?
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I don't have any expectations on Sanchez (apart from probably starting majority of games and working hard but not producing very much....as per the 1st 6 months at Utd


Sanchez is bad enough on the left for Utd, on the right he is virtually invisible. Lingard is ok on the right but no where near as good as in the middle
 
FrankJH said:
Not saying he will but lets see if HM joins what he is like at VVD's age - he could easily be up at that level with more experience , it wouldn't be that much of a shock as you are making out.



I don't have any expectations on Sanchez (apart from probably starting majority of games and working hard but not producing very much....as per the 1st 6 months at Utd


Sanchez is bad enough on the left for Utd, on the right he is virtually invisible. Lingard is ok on the right but no where near as good as in the middle
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Baffling as to his difference in effectiveness in both teams.
 
FrankJH said:
Not saying he will but lets see if HM joins what he is like at VVD's age - he could easily be up at that level with more experience , it wouldn't be that much of a shock as you are making out.
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Maybe but I can't see it. Experience might improve his decision making and positioning but he's not going to become the athelte that VVD is nor is he going to be able to ping 50 yard cross field passes for fun either. In terms of the physical and technical attributes you need to be a CB, VVD ticks every box - height, pace, power and plays like a central midfielder.
 
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