Supplements the debate/discussion thread

You should try some Delvis, its totally worth it imo, love Jack3d, will be importing some on pay day

I don't have the money to buy a gym membership, let alone excess money to spend on a 'buzz' effect prior to going to the gym :p

It's pretty weak to be fair

It's the pre workout equivalent of Luozade tablets, basically do bugger all

:D
 
Ive tried Pulse, Jack3d and SciMX Xplode.

Pulse was pretty weak, Jack3d was always good but my tolerance grew so 3 scoops was the norm. The Sci MX one was also quite decent. Felt clean with no crash or anything.

I want to try Driven Sports Craze next . Might order some next month.
 
It's pretty weak to be fair

It's the pre workout equivalent of Luozade tablets, basically do bugger all

Compared to Warrior Rage/ Rage3D I expect it is comparatively weaker. It's good for the price though no?

I am talking about Pulse V4 and not the normal Pulse. :)
 
thought an expresso has 80mg?
300mpg is ambitious for the first time but 200mg is found in most off-the shelf supplements.

Depends on the coffee, but most of the stuff available in supermarkets, for instance, averages around 50mg/shot. Hot Lava Java, fo rinstance, is probably close to double. But it tastes lik ****.

300mg is the WADA limit in the blood stream at any one point in time, and is what you'll find most movement-based athletes on. Depending on one's caffeine tolerance, 300mg may do absolutely nothing (this was the problem I had).
 
It's pretty pap. Doesn't give you anywhere near as much of a buzz, if any. I've got a sample sat on my desk now actually, didn't make any affect first time I took it.

Edit: Christian, do you drink much caffeine? Could be why it doesn't do much for me, as I sink at least 4 cups a day :)
In that case it's not really the supplement's fault now is it?
The buzz is given by the Caffeine or the DMAA - the first you become tolerant to because you drink too much coffee. The later got banned.
It's pretty weak to be fair

It's the pre workout equivalent of Luozade tablets, basically do bugger all

Yes, because a pre-workout with Creapure, AAKG, Beta Alanine, Citruline Malate and Taurine is the same as that piece of crap with sugar and a few colorants.

With the exception of the relatively low dose of caffeine (which you can easily fix with separate caffeine or just downing a small strong one, heck just double the serving of pulse and it's still very good value for money) its ingredient list is up there with the best pre-workouts.

If you want to argue that all pre workouts hardly do that much then we can agree on that, but to call it pretty weak in comparison to the rest of them is a bit far fetched imo.



Le: if 300mg of coffee does absolutely nothing for you then I'm sorry but you really do have a problem with caffeine consumption.
Most starbucks coffees have quite a bit in them, IIRC some of the big ones go over 300mg.
 
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Djeez, someone hasn't had their pre-workout today :confused: :mad: :p

The thing with the caffeine is that it's so often drank by people in abundance during the day that for most trainers having it as the main energy-releasing ingredient is going to leave the majority disappointed. I would tend to say that the addition of the other ingredients is giving you nothing more than the added bonus of a big placebo in terms of real world performance.
 
Now now, just 'cause you've got a phaggoty illness doesn't mean you can write unhelpful posts! :p

Well, I mean honestly, he took my comparison literally. I wasn't suggesting you could use Lucozade tablets as a pre workout. I was just saying, like Lucozade is seen as a poor supplement for what it's purpose is, Pulse is seen the same way as a pre workout

But I stand by it, Pulse is weak and so what if it has Creatine in it? That's hardly going to do a lot for energy. As for AAKG, a lot of studies have suggested it's not the wonder ingredient it's been claimed to be. Quite a few of the newer pure workouts use other ingredients as opposed to cramming in AAKG.

Pulse is great for those on a budget, but if you're looking for the real deal, there are many many better alternatives
 
Ive tried Pulse, Jack3d and SciMX Xplode.

Pulse was pretty weak, Jack3d was always good but my tolerance grew so 3 scoops was the norm. The Sci MX one was also quite decent. Felt clean with no crash or anything.

I want to try Driven Sports Craze next . Might order some next month.

I've got some here, its ok nothing like Jack3d to be honest but then I try and force myself to only have one scoop so I'm not up all night.

Have you seen the new posters in the gym about Jack3d etc? Basically saying it can be picked up in a drugs test!
 
I've got some here, its ok nothing like Jack3d to be honest but then I try and force myself to only have one scoop so I'm not up all night.

Have you seen the new posters in the gym about Jack3d etc? Basically saying it can be picked up in a drugs test!

Yup - because of the DMMA. Which has been banned by WADA for a number of years.
 
I've used Craze for my last two workouts and liked it a lot. It isn't quite as...volatile as Jack3d, but it does the job. I've been adding beta alanine and taurine.
 
But I stand by it, Pulse is weak and so what if it has Creatine in it? That's hardly going to do a lot for energy. As for AAKG, a lot of studies have suggested it's not the wonder ingredient it's been claimed to be. Quite a few of the newer pure workouts use other ingredients as opposed to cramming in AAKG.

Pulse is great for those on a budget, but if you're looking for the real deal, there are many many better alternatives

I like it how you left out Beta Alanine and citruline malate, are they ineffective as well?
But by all means, please give the name of those 3-4 of those much better alternatives.
 
I like it how you left out Beta Alanine and citruline malate, are they ineffective as well?
But by all means, please give the name of those 3-4 of those much better alternatives.

Citrulline malate helps aerobic recovery of muscles, whereas lifting is generally anaerobic as an activity. However, it will probably help those lifters recover faster if they are Type 1/2a dominant, due to the aerobic nature of their muscle types, and due to its assistance in clearing out nasties.

Unlike creatine and beta alanine, it doesn't enhance powaaaaaaaah!!! but both of those also require dosing over time in concert with good nutrition to actually do anything.

AAKG is good for "the pump" and nothing more, mind. :)
 
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