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Swapping from AMD back to NVIDIA any recommendations?

RealStokesy

RealStokesy

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I'm swapping from the 9070 XT back to NVIDIA as I've been having constant issues with crashing and instability. I'm not in the market for a 5090 as that's far too much money for me being a uni student to spend on a GPU. I've heard very good things about the 5070 TI, can anyone recommend this or any alternative cards?

Thanks
 
Ask them for a replacement and try that before switching brands though I can understand if ones abit hesitant to though I've had a AMD RX6600XT that was a nightmare and was returned within 14 days and a few weeks later got a RX6600 and I had no issues for the year or so I had it.
 
I've had this card since release back in March and have already sent it back twice and both times they've said nothing is wrong with it but when I've used my backup RTX 2070 everything works flawlessly hence why I'm considering switching back to NVIDIA
 
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9070 series are ultra reliable it will be something else on your system causing the issues like drivers not cleared out properly & or PSU not good enough.
 
RealStokesy said:
I've had this card since release back in March and have already sent it back twice and both times they've said nothing is wrong with it but when I've used my backup RTX 2070 everything works flawlessly hence why I'm considering switching back to NVIDIA
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Does it crash only during gaming?
Is it a particular game/app where it crashes?

Try setting a lower power limit as low as it will go in the drivers to see if that fixes the crashing. Might be a PSU issue and if it is a 5070 Ti will face the same problem.

List your PSU
CPU
RAM
Motherboard
What 9070 XT model

Did you get it at OCUK and were they the ones who said it’s not faulty? If yes I would tend to believe them because OCUK are generally very good about replacing faulty kit.
 
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Firegod said:
Gotta love these kinda of threads from "new" people with a handful of posts. Gives no information, no troubleshooting, no background. So I'll reply in kind. The problem is with your PC. Helpful, isn't it. ;)
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In fairness the OP was only asking for recommendations around a 5070TI not troubleshooting advice for the current card.
The thread did turn into a troubleshooting thread though, I suspect in part because people here are helpful and partly because of the whole moving to Nvidia thing (I wonder if the reaction would've been the same if he was looking to move from a 5070Ti to a 9070XT?)
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
In fairness the OP was only asking for recommendations around a 5070TI not troubleshooting advice for the current card.
The thread did turn into a troubleshooting thread though, I suspect in part because people here are helpful and partly because of the whole moving to Nvidia thing (I wonder if the reaction would've been the same if he was looking to move from a 5070Ti to a 9070XT?)
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That is very weird take IMHO. I don't think anybody would suggest moving from an RTX5070TI to an RX9070XT as it wouldn't yield any performance improvements,unless it's something very niche.

The following applies to all card brands:
1.)You do realise the RX9070XT consumes upto 150W under average load more than their RTX2070? The RTX5070TI consumes less, but still 80W to 100W more than an RTX2070.
2.)Peak power consumption of both cards,ie,transient spikes will be even higher. I estimate between 150W to 200W above an RTX2070.
3.)Even if a PSU has the required power,if it is an older design it might not support some of the newer ATX standards,or respond well to transient spikes. There is also the possibility of the PSU being faulty.
4.)It is also well known that newer graphics cards might need the latest BIOS for compatability issues. Then there is situation if ReBAR/SAM has been activated or not and some games require it.
5.)Moving from Nvidia to AMD and AMD to Nvidia,requires you properly uninstall all the drivers,etc. If you don't do that it can cause issues.
6.)If you have an unstable CPU or RAM overclock,it can be exposed by a faster card,because the higher FPS will push the CPU and RAM more.
7.)Always worth doing a virus scan can in case of crypto-mining malware. It's happened before on here!

I have had the latter issue,ie,RAM overclock being not as stable as I thought being exposed by a faster card. Once I had redid the settings and tested it longer I was fine.

In the end too many on this forum just instead of doing proper troubleshooting just throw money at issues.
 
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GoogalyMoogaly said:
In fairness the OP was only asking for recommendations around a 5070TI not troubleshooting advice for the current card.
The thread did turn into a troubleshooting thread though, I suspect in part because people here are helpful and partly because of the whole moving to Nvidia thing (I wonder if the reaction would've been the same if he was looking to move from a 5070Ti to a 9070XT?)
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There have been loads of threads around triaging faulty Nvidia products as well and I have lost count of the times I have given similar advice to those who swear their Nvidia GPU is the problem.

Maybe what’s happening is trying to give advice that avoids a person swapping a GPU unnecessarily and wasting money. Especially one that gives zero tangible benefits for the cost. Also if his GPU is indeed faulty we can help triage it.
 
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If you're looking for alternatives to a 9070XT, the 5070 Ti is your closest match. They're practically the same in terms of raster performance, only a few per cent difference, but the 70Ti is actually somewhat better in raytracing, considerably better in path tracing and gets the nVidia features, such as DLSS and everything that entails - DLSS Transformer, ray reconstruction, MFG. Slightly lower power draw under load, too. I would consider the 70Ti to actually be a minor upgrade over the 70Xt. However, it is somewhat more expensive than the 9070XT and depending on how AMD handles their "FSR Redstone" launch, the differences might get more minor as time goes on. In any case, if you'd like to stay at the same performance class, the 70 Ti is the way to go.

Going up for the 80 doesn't usually make much sense, as you're going to pay considerably more money for only a modest ~15% raster performance increase and no VRAM increase, paired with a higher power consumption to boot.
Going down to the 70 will actually save you quite a bit of money, as the 70 usually goes on great deals. However, you will lose about 20% raster performance, as well as 4GB of VRAM.

Personally, in your position, if you wanted to swap the GPU, I'd recommend the 70 Ti, or, if you want to save money - the 70. However, as most posters have already mentioned, AMD's 9000 series is actually very stable, more stable than nVidia's 5000 series, so it's possible you just have a faulty card or a power issue. A normal 9070XT shouldn't be causing you these issues. May you mention what it's crashing in? Is it a specific task or game? Are you using Optiscaler?
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
In the end too many on this forum just instead of doing proper troubleshooting just throw money at issues.
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I do get what you're saying, however I would also say that people are free to do what they want and just because they don't want to solve something the same way as you doesn't make them wrong. I do realise you were trying to save them money, but we also don't know the whole story, maybe the OP just feels they won't be happy with this card now as it's been the cause of a lot of stress so they just want to change it. Maybe they'd love to get it working but thought they'd tried everything already.

ICDP said:
There have been loads of threads around triaging faulty Nvidia products as well and I have lost count of the times I have given similar advice to those who swear their Nvidia GPU is the problem.

Maybe what’s happening is trying to give advice that avoids a person swapping a GPU unnecessarily and wasting money. Especially one that gives zero tangible benefits for the cost. Also if his GPU is indeed faulty we can help triage it.
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Were those threads people asking for help with the Nvidia issues or were those threads of people asking which AMD card they should swap to and people instead tried to help them fix the issues?
As I said, I'm sure most people were just trying to be helpful, it's just that some were complaining the OP hadn't given much details of the system or the issue even though the OP hadn't asked for help with their issue issue it was just given as background for the question they did ask.

I do think people made some good points though that the graphics card may not be the issue and if it's something else in the system then a 5070Ti may suffer from very similar issues, especially if it's the PSU or something. This is supported by the fact the card has been returned twice and not found to be faulty. I had a motherboard once that didn't seem to like some AMD cards but seemed OK with all the Nvidia ones I tried.
 
RealStokesy said:
I'm swapping from the 9070 XT back to NVIDIA as I've been having constant issues with crashing and instability. I'm not in the market for a 5090 as that's far too much money for me being a uni student to spend on a GPU. I've heard very good things about the 5070 TI, can anyone recommend this or any alternative cards?

Thanks
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Been running a 5070 Ti since launch, price aside I can't fault it. Now prices have settled down, can recommend this 100%.
 
Firegod said:
Gotta love these kinda of threads from "new" people with a handful of posts. Gives no information, no troubleshooting, no background. So I'll reply in kind. The problem is with your PC. Helpful, isn't it. ;)
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They guy isn't asking for advice how to fix the problem he wants to jump back to nvidia and you are not going to change his mind telling him what's wrong.

No doubt everybody he speaks to tells him "its because he switched to AMD and nvidia is better".
 
ICDP said:
Did you get it at OCUK and were they the ones who said it’s not faulty? If yes I would tend to believe them because OCUK are generally very good about replacing faulty kit.
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These sorts of problems will he because of power spikes etc. So when OCUK plug this gpu into the best highest wattage psu with spike protection and best mobo and cpu with latest drivers and everything they wont find a problem.

Components shouldn't have this problem regardless. But since 4090s and this lot of AMD stuff things seem to have high spikes that most PSUs can't handle.
 
D1craig said:
They guy isn't asking for advice how to fix the problem he wants to jump back to nvidia and you are not going to change his mind telling him what's wrong.

No doubt everybody he speaks to tells him "its because he switched to AMD and nvidia is better".
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D1craig said:
These sorts of problems will he because of power spikes etc. So when OCUK plug this gpu into the best highest wattage psu with spike protection and best mobo and cpu with latest drivers and everything they wont find a problem.

Components shouldn't have this problem regardless. But since 4090s and this lot of AMD stuff things seem to have high spikes that most PSUs can't handle.
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Most people aren't trying to change his mind, just simply being helpful and pointing out that he'll likely have the same issues with a 5870TI if he's got a power issue. But seen as the OP hasn't given much info and isn't replying it's just a bit of a guessing game right now. For all we know he's just installed AMD drivers over Nvidia drivers....
 
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