Sycthe Ninja Help

Dan221081

Dan221081

Dan221081

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Some of you guys helped me pick out a new cooler for my cpu the other day which ended up being a Scythe Ninja Plus. It arrived today along with the Arctic Silver 5. After a lot swearing I managed to get it in, and up and running. I was already running a slight over clock with my stock cooler was running at 2.7ghz with it sitting on 33 -34 idle. After the Ninja was installed the temp dropped to about 28 idle which was cool. So I thought I would now try and reach 3ghz. I upped the FSB to 1333.33 which brought my CPU speed up to 2999.99 Mhz which idles at 33 - 35. The only problem is when I run orthos for about 5 minutes im looking at a maxed out temp of 64 degrees (it seems to hit some kind of thermal barrier there and wont go above that.

The question is, Is that normal ? Is that ok ? Is there a way of increasing the speed of the fan on the Ninja ? Could it be something to do with voltage causing the processor is get too hot ? I have to admit I have never played with voltage much so have no idea on what would need to be changed if anything needed to be.

Currently the CPU is sitting on 1.3volts

Im kinda gutted as I was hoping that with the massive ninja sitting on top of the CPU it would be within the green so to speak at 3ghz maxed out.

Any advice would be great :)
 
Is the fan is blowing air across the heatsink and out towards the back of the case?

64c at 1.3v is far too high. As is a jump of 30c under load.

I know you won't want to hear this, but reseat the cooler. And, while you're doing it, check to see if the top of the cpu is flat.
 
Ok I will give that a go and take it off again can I leave the paste on there that I put on earlier and just add some more ? or Do I have to take that off and start again ?
 
when you take the cooler off check the layout of the thermal compound on it, if its covered about the same area as the processor then its pretty flat, if its hardly got any paste on it then the processor may be uneven which may cause the temp rise under load.

as for the paste i'd clean it off and start again if you can, take it that you've used the minimum amount needed and not over covered the processor ?
 
Yeah I followed the instructions from the arctic silver website. Basically a double line down the middle.

Got loads left but perhaps I will put a bit more on this time.
 
What speed is your fan currently being read at?

The max speed of the fan is about 1200RPM i think (have replaced mine with a UV reactive one and is about that).

To make sure the fan is at the max speed, in the BIOS of my DS3 (i know, different board to yours) i disabled the Smart Fan control, so it runs at max speed, as per the Manual instructions
 
Ok I took it off and wiped all the paste off and put a single line down the middle (before I put two thin lines down the middle to equal to their rather chunky one) I then put it all back in again (Yay the fun !! I cant possibly express the sheer joy I encountered this time) and then powered up. I can now confirm that the top of the cpu is flat and that before with my two lines the paste had covered the top of the heat spreader but no further.

Unfortunately now its getting even hotter with a single line on there. we are looking at 35 idle and god knows what at max. I stopped orthos when it reached 65 !!! This means that I will now have to take it off again and put some more paste on there to get it back to where it was before.

Getting on my nerves a bit now :(

Cpu fan I think, is running around 1178rpm
 
The Ninja shouldn't be as hard to fit as you are making out - took me 30 seconds. The last push pin took a bit more effort than the rest but from reading your post you would think you had to weld the bloody thing on :p

The fan on the Ninja is usually pretty constant - mine stays at just under 1200RPM and keeps my 3.3GHz E6600 below 60C at full load.

You seem to have it in your head that you need loads of thermal compound - this is not true! It is only meant for filling in microscopic gaps between the HSF and the CPU. Too much and you might as well not have any at all. Be absolutely certain you are applying as much as the instructions say and no more.

Have you got a picture of the thermal compound pattern on both your HSF and CPU? You say it only covers the top half of the heatsink, that suggests the CPU or heatsink isn't flat or you haven't installed the Ninja correctly.
 
Ok

i have put some more paste on and powered back up I have made sure that all the pins have popped in and I am idling around 32-35 at 3ghz. It drops down to around 27-28 on stock speeds. I haven't tried orthos yet but I expect it to reach 64 again if it goes any higher I will lower the fsb to give me 2.8ghz just to be safe.

As for fitting it being easy I have to disagree with you. Its anything but easy. I only have a medium case so getting it in was not easy. Plus if you look at a picture of my motherboard you can see that it has copper cooling pipes running around the cpu area which also doesn't aid any heat sink installation. Because of this you can hardly see the pins let alone pop them in so it takes a fair while to get it sorted.

Anyhow I'm going to leave it as it is for now as long as orthos doesn't shoot the temp into the red.

Spent all day trying to get this sorted and swearing at it, want to actually use it now :)

Update :-

After running Orthos for about 7 minutes the temp seems to be maxing out at 62-64. It might be higher than what some people are getting but I think it comes down to the processor, sometimes you get lucky and get a good one for overclocking sometimes you don't. I'm happy to let it run like it is now at 3ghz. Running games that I play only really push the temps up to 40ish so I'm not too worried.
 
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If you have lots of junk on the motherboard around where the Ninja sits it might be worth checking that the Ninja isn't caught up on anything.

Yes it is true that different chips vary in their overclockability but you shouldn't be reaching 65C at stock volts! My E6600 is at something like 1.4V and isn't as toastie as yours.

You say you have a small case, so maybe your airflow sucks :p Is your Ninja blowing the air towards any outtake fans?
 
Yeah there is a outtake fan the on other side of the ninja.

If there was a way of uploading pictures to the forum I would show you one but its pretty much in the format of


I--Rear Fan --I I---- Ninja ---I I--- Fan ---I
<------ ................................. <-------
 
That looks about right.

You can upload pictures to Imageshack and then paste them into your post using the Insert Image option at the top of the reply box.
 
Well it seems to be in the correct order.

I see you've got a 8800gtx in there. Are the load temps any lower when the side panel has been off the case for a few minutes?
 
Not really but you can feel the heat from the GTX a when you put your hand under it after a gaming session. But there is another fan at the front of the case at the bottom which creates a flow of air towards the gfx and sound cards

I did find this article which was interesting

http://www.overclockers.com/articles1378/index02.asp

by the chap that wrote core temp

His screen shots show a stock E6600 hitting 60 at stock speeds :eek:

That makes me feel better ;)
 
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