Taking sky box (and card) to another location

Mark M · 20 May 2015 at 12:08

Not sure if this would be in breach of the t&c's but...

If someone with a sky HD box and all premium channels were to unplug their box and take it to another location and connect it via their sky dish (with 2 cables from the sky dish) would it work?

lucid · 20 May 2015 at 12:24

I can't comment on Sky's Ts & Cs, but I have a couple of customers who are caravanners. They do exactly this with no issues at all.

Mark M · 20 May 2015 at 13:00

Great thanks, could come in handy for anyone wanting to watch 2 matches this weekend too...

scotty365 · 20 May 2015 at 16:47

Yes it definately works.
Also my now tv box allows me to watch anything stored on my pc too as long as I have a good enough connection where ever i am, so i take both if im away in a hotel with reasonable BB.

BigBoy · 23 May 2015 at 11:37

As long as you dont plug it in to the phone line/internet then there is no issue.

Psycho Sonny · 23 May 2015 at 11:52

Mark M said:
Not sure if this would be in breach of the t&c's but...

If someone with a sky HD box and all premium channels were to unplug their box and take it to another location and connect it via their sky dish (with 2 cables from the sky dish) would it work?

it would work but you are breaking their t&c's. their is no way they could find out though unless you connect it to phone line or internet.

this is why if you have multiroom you must connect both boxes to a phone line and on the newer boxes internet.

every so often the box calls sky back for a few seconds so they can verify both boxes are in the same house.

otherwise i could get the full package add multiroom then let a mate use my multiroom card for say £30 a month meaning we both get sky for just over half price.

if you have 1 sub the same terms and conditions apply, otherwise i could buy a residential sub. take it to my pub and use it in there saving me thousands of pounds a year over a public commercial sub.

V F · 23 May 2015 at 18:04

Psycho Sonny said:
it would work but you are breaking their t&c's. their is no way they could find out though unless you connect it to phone line or internet.

this is why if you have multiroom you must connect both boxes to a phone line and on the newer boxes internet.

every so often the box calls sky back for a few seconds so they can verify both boxes are in the same house.

otherwise i could get the full package add multiroom then let a mate use my multiroom card for say £30 a month meaning we both get sky for just over half price.

if you have 1 sub the same terms and conditions apply, otherwise i could buy a residential sub. take it to my pub and use it in there saving me thousands of pounds a year over a public commercial sub.

That has been changed since December 2013. New customers from then it's internet only call back. Plus since the R010 software for all boxes the software has supposedly changed for all boxes. Where it sends home via the internet or phone line. It isn't as supposedly strict as it once was.

There has been discussion on the Sky forums about it.

tribz · 23 May 2015 at 19:20

Indeed, I had a load balanced connection for a year and my connection could have come out over 2 IP addresses (1 fixed, 1 dynamic) and I didn't have any mutliroom issues. I raised it with the installer and he reckoned sky don't check any more.

johnny sublime · 23 May 2015 at 23:36

Ive had a multi room box from my parents a year without problems

Psycho Sonny · 24 May 2015 at 12:09

tribz said:
Indeed, I had a load balanced connection for a year and my connection could have come out over 2 IP addresses (1 fixed, 1 dynamic) and I didn't have any mutliroom issues. I raised it with the installer and he reckoned sky don't check any more.

they do check but there are so many subscribers they cannot police all of them. so they target random groups of people every month.

it's the same for every company that has many people who use the system and not enough resource to tackle it.

also both IP addresses will say your at the same add so it doesn't matter. i'm sure when your box calls back it tells them where it is along with the IP add, etc.

tribz · 25 May 2015 at 11:59

Psycho Sonny said:
also both IP addresses will say your at the same add so it doesn't matter. i'm sure when your box calls back it tells them where it is along with the IP add, etc.

How would that have worked out of interest? The only people that would have known my addresses was Be and Zen with the Zen IP one likely to change as it was dynamic.

Sky could have seen one fixed IP address (good) and one different IP address which could have been interpreted by them to have a been at a different address.

Psycho Sonny · 25 May 2015 at 19:35

tribz said:
How would that have worked out of interest? The only people that would have known my addresses was Be and Zen with the Zen IP one likely to change as it was dynamic.

Sky could have seen one fixed IP address (good) and one different IP address which could have been interpreted by them to have a been at a different address.

your router can find out where it is in the world and send that information to anyone that requests it even if they don't have your wi-fi password.

see your smartphone, if you look at the options it uses wi-fi as part of it's location tracking even if your not connected to wi-fi.

basically say if i was outside your house and i can see your wi-fi and i turn on my gps it will ping your router with a location request and your router will tell the phone approximately where it is even though i'm not connected to your router. it will then use that information combined with GPS, GLONASS, mobile towers, etc to gain a much more accurate exact location.

i cannot remember what the exact name of that technology is but all modern routers i believe have to have it built in as standard. so both your ip addresses would send the exact same information about your location.

some people have dynamic ip addresses which change on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. so every time they send a message back to sky it's using a completely different ip address.

V F · 25 May 2015 at 22:02

Psycho Sonny said:
some people have dynamic ip addresses which change on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. so every time they send a message back to sky it's using a completely different ip address.

I'm on dynamic and it doesn't change daily/weekly. Unless you pull the connection or reboot the router.

MissChief · 25 May 2015 at 23:41

Sometimes, if the Router retains its connection the IP address can remain for days, even weeks but a reboot or loss of connection can and usually does give a different IP address.

tribz · 25 May 2015 at 23:44

Psycho Sonny said:
your router can find out where it is in the world and send that information to anyone that requests it even if they don't have your wi-fi password.

see your smartphone, if you look at the options it uses wi-fi as part of it's location tracking even if your not connected to wi-fi.

basically say if i was outside your house and i can see your wi-fi and i turn on my gps it will ping your router with a location request and your router will tell the phone approximately where it is even though i'm not connected to your router. it will then use that information combined with GPS, GLONASS, mobile towers, etc to gain a much more accurate exact location.

i cannot remember what the exact name of that technology is but all modern routers i believe have to have it built in as standard. so both your ip addresses would send the exact same information about your location.

some people have dynamic ip addresses which change on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. so every time they send a message back to sky it's using a completely different ip address.

Erm, ok then

lol

( |-| |2 ][ $ · 6 Jun 2015 at 16:35

Psycho Sonny said:
your router can find out where it is in the world and send that information to anyone that requests it even if they don't have your wi-fi password.

see your smartphone, if you look at the options it uses wi-fi as part of it's location tracking even if your not connected to wi-fi.

basically say if i was outside your house and i can see your wi-fi and i turn on my gps it will ping your router with a location request and your router will tell the phone approximately where it is even though i'm not connected to your router. it will then use that information combined with GPS, GLONASS, mobile towers, etc to gain a much more accurate exact location.

i cannot remember what the exact name of that technology is but all modern routers i believe have to have it built in as standard. so both your ip addresses would send the exact same information about your location.

That's not how it works at all. It's a crowd sourced database based on SSID's. For example your phone uses GPS/Cell tower locations to know where it is, it also picks up any wifi SSIDs and will send those to for example apples database. Then say a mate comes around with their phone and has gps turned off, the phone scans for SSID's and along with the cell data makes a location request to the apple database. (android also has one).

It's not your router that knows where it is, only peoples phones and the providers databases.

You can test it by turning off GPS on your phone and changing the SSID on your router. Google maps will then not be able to get a actuate location.

a1ex2001 · 9 Jun 2015 at 11:29

Psycho Sonny said:
they do check but there are so many subscribers they cannot police all of them. so they target random groups of people every month.

it's the same for every company that has many people who use the system and not enough resource to tackle it.

also both IP addresses will say your at the same add so it doesn't matter. i'm sure when your box calls back it tells them where it is along with the IP add, etc.

If they were really serious it would just be an automated process it would take 5 minutes to script it and have every box report in every night log it all in a DB and then automatically send out cease and desist notices. It wouldn't even be expensive or complicated so they clearly are not really that bothered!

asim18 · 9 Jun 2015 at 17:33

Psycho Sonny said:
your router can find out where it is in the world and send that information to anyone that requests it even if they don't have your wi-fi password.

see your smartphone, if you look at the options it uses wi-fi as part of it's location tracking even if your not connected to wi-fi.

basically say if i was outside your house and i can see your wi-fi and i turn on my gps it will ping your router with a location request and your router will tell the phone approximately where it is even though i'm not connected to your router. it will then use that information combined with GPS, GLONASS, mobile towers, etc to gain a much more accurate exact location.

i cannot remember what the exact name of that technology is but all modern routers i believe have to have it built in as standard. so both your ip addresses would send the exact same information about your location.

some people have dynamic ip addresses which change on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. so every time they send a message back to sky it's using a completely different ip address.

Sorry but this is incorrect.