Tempted to come back from Apple (if cost effective)

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I am in the market for a new machine, the machine is not a gaming machine but it needs to be a powerful one that will last 3 years. It is a machine for photo editing work first and foremost, general admin and web machine second.

Original and current plan is still getting the latest iMac when it is released, spec it up to the hilts so it lasts 3 years, like my current one which has been with me for the past 3 and a half years. I am driven by economics as much as anything else so this is what this thread is for.

One thing need to be clear, I do not upgrade my machine in between (except RAM for increase), I do not overclock, mostly because I hate it, and I find it cost and time inefficient, partly because I wait so long between upgrades by the time I do it I practically need a whole new one anyway. I like a machine to work for me, I don't have time to work out how to water cool, overclock etc. It's basically turn on and go. The time of tinkering is over.

Now the requirements.

1 - Monitor

27", IPS or better, glossy screen. Basically as good if not better than the Apple iMac screen.

2 - CPU

i7 or best bang for buck, I plan to spec i7 in the iMac.

3 - GFX

Best bang for buck, no games needed but due to the new shift in Photoshop's algorithm it has shifted a lot of the processing to the GPU so a fast GPU will now required. 680M?

4 - Miscellaneous

RAM - lots and lots of it, I am thinking 16G minimum, 32G if possible (or at later date, iMac can be upgraded to 32G by user)

Speed - It will be SSD/Hybrid this time round, I want quick response when flicking through photo library with minimal rendering time between photos that are 23 mega pixels (30mb). Will be speccing Hybrid in the iMac.

Noise - or the lack of it, it should at iMac quiet or close to it. Any kind of large jet sound is out.

Other - will need other parts such as new mouse, keyboard and the ability to dual monitor (only need 1 for now)

Cost? The whole thing at or close to £2k/£2.2k including OS.

Note - I can get HE discount with the iMac so that is 14% off the Apple price with 3 years Applecare.

Can a windows machine be competitive with the above criteria?

Many thanks in advance :)
 
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For 2-2.2K? Most certainly yes :) You could build a destroy the world gaming rig for that :D

Have fun speccing this one guys. I'm gonna grab my popcorn.
 
I've just done exactly the same thing, had 2 x 17 inch Macbook Pros, a Mac Mini, a Macbook Air and various iPads and iPhones over the past 2 years. Just built (to me it seems to be) an amazing PC for around £600, just be careful though, with that budget you might be making Skynet.. :D
 
Out of personal preference I'd give Windows 8 a miss, or at least download a trial and give it a go first, it's quite annoying to use to say the least. Very different, and don't think I'd get used to it. Your best off looking into the monitors section and reading topics about what's good and bad in there, or wait for someone to reply, I've not got a 27 so can't really recommend any.
 
Asus PB278Q 27" Professional LED Multimedia Monitor - Black £499.99
Intel Core i7-3930K 3.20GHz (Sandybridge-E) Socket LGA2011 Processor - Retail £419.99
Gigabyte X79-UP4 Intel X79 (Socket 2011) DDR3 Motherboard £209.99
Crucial RealSSD M4 256GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive (CT256M4SSD2) £164.99
G.Skill RipJawsZ 32GB (8x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Quad Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9Q2-32GBZL) £149.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-Bit - OEM (FQC-04649) £119.99
Seasonic X-Series 650w '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply £114.98
Western Digital RE4 1TB SATA-II 64MB Cache - OEM (WD1003FBYX) £96.98
Antec P280 Super Midi Tower Case - Gun Metal Black £84.98
Alpenföhn K2 Mount Doom CPU Cooler (Socket LGA1156/1155/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+/FM1) £59.99
Pioneer 24x Internal DVR-S19LBK DVD Rewriter including Labelflash - Retail £20.99
Sub Total : £1,619.05
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £22.20
VAT is being charged at 20.00% VAT : £328.25
Total : £1,969.50

Take this as rough build as there are plenty of options, but this is a guide to the sort of spec you should be looking at with that budget.

The Monitor isn't glossy, but to quote, it's in the middle ground:

"The screen coating on the PB278Q is a normal anti-glare (AG) offering. Like other PLS based screens we have tested it is very light and so does not suffer from the dirty or grainy appearance of some competing IPS models. It's the same coating used on models like the Samsung S27A850D and ViewSonic VP2770-LED (also using the same PLS panel). It is not a full glossy solution of coarse which has a completely different feel than any AG coating. However, the PB278Q does not suffer from a lot of reflections like glossy coated screens can."

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_pb278q.htm

Mobo can take 64 GB of Ram if you need it in the future, RAM can make a huge difference with some photoshop work. :)

I've left out the graphics card as Adobe have a test list, personally I would spend more than £200 on a card and I wouldn't go for a current Nivdia 6xx series as they aren't ideal for Photoshop.

http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-cs6-gpu-faq.html#cs6_features
 
awesome monitor as requested 27"
i7 3770k is on sale atm so might aswell get it (will make it worth more if you came to resell in 3 years)
660 should be more than enough for your gpu needs? unless you can show me a link to somewhere referencing the 680 as being needed for your programs? surely a 670 would do?

250gb ssd spare budget incase you wanted 2?

16 gb of extremely fast ram

win7 pro, so you can go beyond 16gb in future

good gigabyte baord

pre noise dampened case, to keep it nice and quite. my colleague just got that case and it looks awesome!

gold rated psu

2tb hdd

cpu cooler, i know your not overclocking but budget is there and its still nice to keep temps nice and low.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Dell UltraSharp U2711 27" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Midnight Grey £599.99
1 x Intel Core i7-3770K 3.50GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £239.99
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 660 OC Twin Frozr 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with FREE Assassin's Creed III PC Game £179.99
1 x Samsung 250GB SSD 840 SATA 6Gb/s Basic - (MZ-7TD250BW) £149.99
1 x TeamGroup Xtreem LV 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-19200C10 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit (TXD316G2400HC10QDC-L) £119.99
1 x Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-Bit - OEM (FQC-04649) £119.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77X-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £112.99
1 x OcUK Tech Labs - NZXT Phantom 410 Midi-Tower - Black/White - Noise Dampened £105.98
1 x Seasonic G series 550w '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply £76.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (ST2000DM001) £69.95
1 x BeQuiet Shadow Rock Pro CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3) £32.99
1 x Samsung SH-S222BB/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £18.98
1 x OCZ 2.5" to 3.5" SSD Adaptor - (OCZACSSDBRKT2) £7.99
Total : £1,859.93 (includes shipping : £20.10).



budget is there if you wanna upgrade gfx card / add another ssd

P.S keyboard and mouse i think are personal choices. go have a look ^^
 
Thanks for all the suggestion so far guys !!! Much appreciated.

Although would it be cheeky to ask why you have selected the parts you have selected? Don't need to be detailed, just a small sentence or note would do. And don't even need to be for every part.

i.e. why that GFX over someone else's or what that case over another persons'. The reason can be a technical one, a cost one (to keep it in budget) or even a personal preference asthestic one in the look of a case design or even preference of Samsung HD or Hitachi HD.

Just so I get a little idea rather than a list of lots of numbers. :)

Many thanks.
 
raymond for your own, and our use

can you go spec up the imac you are going to buy, then post its componants here. and we will compare it with that?

All builds above have advantages and disadvantages and all will see you in good stead for more than 3 years. howver if we can directly relate it to the imac and explain why it completly smashes it, you might get a better idea of which to go for.

a colleague recently was going to buy an imac, they were going to charge him £350 for a 256gb ssd to be installed and itwas priced around £1600 and had an i5 2600k in, so didnt even have newest architecure of componants. not to mention just an i5 for £1600?

we will be able to point out all advantages / disadvahntages of the mac if you post it up.
 
raymond for your own, and our use

can you go spec up the imac you are going to buy, then post its componants here. and we will compare it with that?

All builds above have advantages and disadvantages and all will see you in good stead for more than 3 years. howver if we can directly relate it to the imac and explain why it completly smashes it, you might get a better idea of which to go for.

a colleague recently was going to buy an imac, they were going to charge him £350 for a 256gb ssd to be installed and itwas priced around £1600 and had an i5 2600k in, so didnt even have newest architecure of componants. not to mention just an i5 for £1600?

we will be able to point out all advantages / disadvahntages of the mac if you post it up.


I would love to.... but do you know the stupid part?

I can't ! The Apple store doesn't have it on sale yet, it is not supposed to be released until December and thus I can't even spec it and that means I do not know the price.

The most stupid thing is that they even took the current/old on off their store so can't even spec a old one with an i7 core to compare...

So there you go !

I do know that they will start at £1500 with a 27" iMac with 4G ram (which I will upgrade for peanuts myself), so I will only upgrade CPU/GFX/HD, and hoping £600/700 would cover it.

Bearing in mind I will have 14% off that total (so like £300)
 

+This except ;

drop to Win7

Also if this is purely for work I would not get a 'gaming' GPU, but would grab a proper render card like a Tesla. The performance requirement for your needs outweigh a gaming card.



My friend is a tier 1 Art director for creative firms in the city. I advised him to go windows last year after waiting for Apple to get its act together.Also lets be honest, Apple is slowly but surly moving away from 'proffesional' market for sometime. a lot of design studios have moved to windows since Apple went x86 architecture.

We specced him a i7, 64gb ram with revodrive hybrid. He was blown away with the render times and near zero latency .

He runs x2 of the Dell monitors, and is happy that his workflow isnt bottlenecked at all.

We initially got him a a 680 but adobe hadn't officially lent support to it yet.
So we swapped it out for the Tesla...my god like night and day.The 680 was great, but the Tesla just blew it away when used with adobe.
 
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I would love to.... but do you know the stupid part?

I can't ! The Apple store doesn't have it on sale yet, it is not supposed to be released until December and thus I can't even spec it and that means I do not know the price.

The most stupid thing is that they even took the current/old on off their store so can't even spec a old one with an i7 core to compare...

So there you go !

I do know that they will start at £1500 with a 27" iMac with 4G ram (which I will upgrade for peanuts myself), so I will only upgrade CPU/GFX/HD, and hoping £600/700 would cover it.

Bearing in mind I will have 14% off that total (so like £300)

I read somewhere they were block access to the RAM modules to stop users upgrading themselves. So, if you want an 8gb iMac, you have to buy an 8gb iMac. That was just what I heard though.
 
PhotoShop works well with CUDA, gaming GPU'S have lots of CUDA cores, go figure.

I use Photoshop CS6 a lot and do know what it can and can't do thanks. :)

This is worth a read.

http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PhotoShop.htm

After Effects CS6 or Premiere CS5 or higher use CUDA, but once you have 96 CUDA cores the benefit of extra cores is pretty low.

Let me repeat that, Photoshop CS6 itself, does not use CUDA, it uses OpenGL and OpenCL for GPU acceleration. So there are no hacks, mods, etc. to get your video card to work. All you need to do is setup PhotoShop CS6 to your your video card.

There are some 3rd party plugins for Adobe Photoshop that use the CUDA technology.

Photoshop uses "OpenCL" to improve performance.

And it seems the Memory Interface Width of the graphics card can make a big difference so a £200 GTX 570 is far better than a £400 GTX 680 for instance. Even the cheap NVidia GT 440 is doing a reasonable job.

The bottom line is you don't need a £200- £400 Gaming Graphics card for photoshop or CS6 in general and a GTX 680 is a waste.
 
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