Terrorist Attack - Breaking (not really breaking). Iran

stopper said:
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The thing is, as soon as you mention the rothchilds, you sound like alex jones and then you lose any kind of credibility.

They're jews, with a lot of money. Its just a conspiracy crackpots wet dream come true.
 
Johno please? said:
The thing is, as soon as you mention the rothchilds, you sound like alex jones and then you lose any kind of credibility.
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Yeah, but people still need to learn the truth, no matter how crazy it sounds. :)
All anyone needs to do is research what happens after every USA invasion, and stop blindly believing every thing they see on the BBC/Sky news and Alex Jones.
It's all public knowledge.
 
stopper said:
All anyone needs to do is research what happens after every USA invasion, and stop blindly believing every thing they see on the BBC/Sky news and Alex Jones.
It's all public knowledge.
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Yea, fascist dictators and theocratic psychopaths get removed from power and the people actually get a chance to have a say in how their country is run.
 
stopper said:
Yeah, but people still need to learn the truth, no matter how crazy it sounds. :)
All anyone needs to do is research what happens after every USA invasion, and stop blindly believing every thing they see on the BBC/Sky news and Alex Jones.
It's all public knowledge.
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What truth? You've just posted some CT nutter stuff with no explanation.
 
Bahrain has issued a ban on showing sympathy towards Qatar online and UAE has said anyone posting messages of support for Qatar faces fines of up to $136,000 and fifteen years in prison.
 
Tefal said:
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Support or sympathy for Qatar being targeted by them or other countries. So for example if you're a citizen in the UAE and you post something on Facebook saying that you think it's wrong that Saudi Arabian army has blocked supplies to Qatar (Qatar imports about 40% of its food by land from Saudi Arabia), then you might well be made to take that down and face fines or even imprisonment.

It's odd to find myself defending Qatar. Usually it only comes up with me to condemn it as a monarchy or for sending troops into Libya, but suppression of free speech is suppression of free speech. I mentioned earlier, but it seems likely that one goal is to take Al-Jazeera news station off the air or put strict controls on what it can report. Whilst it is funded by the state, it has a surprisingly good reputation and is one of the key sources of news in the Arab world. It's pretty despised by the authorities in Saudi, Bahrain, UAE and not exactly much liked by the USA because it gives neutral coverage on Iran. Several commentators have stated that shutting down / bringing to heel Al-Jazeera will be a condition of ceasing diplomatic hostilities to Qatar.
 
h4rm0ny said:
Support or sympathy for Qatar being targeted by them or other countries. So for example if you're a citizen in the UAE and you post something on Facebook saying that you think it's wrong that Saudi Arabian army has blocked supplies to Qatar (Qatar imports about 40% of its food by land from Saudi Arabia), then you might well be made to take that down and face fines or even imprisonment.

It's odd to find myself defending Qatar. Usually it only comes up with me to condemn it as a monarchy or for sending troops into Libya, but suppression of free speech is suppression of free speech. I mentioned earlier, but it seems likely that one goal is to take Al-Jazeera news station off the air or put strict controls on what it can report. Whilst it is funded by the state, it has a surprisingly good reputation and is one of the key sources of news in the Arab world. It's pretty despised by the authorities in Saudi, Bahrain, UAE and not exactly much liked by the USA because it gives neutral coverage on Iran. Several commentators have stated that shutting down / bringing to heel Al-Jazeera will be a condition of ceasing diplomatic hostilities to Qatar.
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ohh ruight sorry i thoguht there had been a bombing or soemthing and they where saying it was illegal to offer sympathy.
 
Johno please? said:
Yea, fascist dictators and theocratic psychopaths get removed from power and the people actually get a chance to have a say in how their country is run.
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I mean, I'm on the side of the UK/USA but even I know that's complete bull. We install the government we want by funding them, Democracy is good for us because it allows us to tell the people who they want.
 
Tefal said:
ohh ruight sorry i thoguht there had been a bombing or soemthing and they where saying it was illegal to offer sympathy.
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Yeah, I realised it had been misread so I did my best to clear it up a bit. Thankfully no bombing or similar currently. Turkey has sent additional troops to Qatar and has some ships on the way, I believe. Turkey says that's a purely defensive measure and I do believe them. The USS George H.W. Bush Carrier Group arrived off the coast of Egypt a few days ago. Offensive measures by any other party are pretty unlikely right now, I should imagine!

Also, whilst posting might as well add that Trump has once again opened his mouth to make the situation worse. He's "taken credit" for the situation and told the press: “I decided, along with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, our great generals and military people, the time had come to call on Qatar to end its funding ‒ they have to end that funding ‒ and its extremist ideology.”

Again, Qatar is far, far from my favourite country in the world - monarchy, suppression of homosexuality, helped produce the situation in Libya today. But I'm no great fan of its neighbours either for most of the same reasons and it is extreme hypocrisy on the part of Saudi Arabia and its sponsor the USA to condemn Qatar for all the things it does itself and often to a greater degree. There is something going on behind the scenes here. Increased US military presence, this all happening just after Trump visits Saudi to arrange a $330bn arms sale to Saudi which Obama had previously blocked (headline figures say $110bn, but there's a further $200bn over the next decade still to be paid). This isn't about terrorism, is the thing. At least not in the way it's being presented. Saudi Arabia is the chief source of the IS ideology (Sunni Wahabism) and funding.

Theresa May is still refusing to allow the report into terrorist funding to be published. Somebody should start a petition to make them release that, imo.
 
I don't think it's very productive to get into discussion of the Rothschilds or similar. The primary problem with conspiracy theories about the Rothschilds is that they tend to talk a lot about Jewish people this and Jewish people that. The only Jewish people I know are no different in life, circumstances or attitudes than any other people of their nation. There have only been a few exceptions to that in my life and two of them were American and Americans are just plain obsessed with race. The Rothschilds are Jewish people, but Jewish people are not Rothschilds. There's good reason for conspiracy theories about the Rothschilds - the family arguably determined the outcome of the Napoleonic Wars, Brazilian Independence, they bankrolled the establishment of Rhodesia and even had a significant hand in supporting the Japanese in their war with Russia. The family is inarguably staggeringly rich and inarguably has had a very significant impact on world history. That doesn't mean wholesale conspiracy theories about Jewish people are right but many of the theories go down that road. If you want to talk Zionist rather than Jewish (they are not synonyms for each other) then I become more open to conspiracy theories. But still, how much of a hand the family has in the Israeli state is contentious. I believe the current situation is more about geopolitical hegemony, oil and Russian vs. US primacy than any given family no matter how rich or what their history may be. Iran is very large, diplomatically on good terms with Russia and China and being mostly Shia is a natural ally of Iraq's majority Shia population. Any truly democratic Iraq is likely to side with Iran rather than the USA or Saudi Arabia. The USA will not countenance anyone else being the predominant force in the Middle East. Israel is a part of why that is, but there's also this little thing called oil and the USA's own bizarrely religious political landscape.
 
Tefal said:
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they're having a bit of a falling out with the other terrorist supporters GCC countries... Egypt is joining in too

ironically it is all about supporting terror groups - Qatar supports a different side (rebel islamist militias) in Libya to the UAE(militia formed from former Gaddaffi officers), Egypt isn't happy that Qatar supports the muslim brotherhood, Saudi isn't happy that Qatar give nearly a billion to various Iranian backed Shia terrorist groups/militias after some Qataris were kidnapped on a falcon hunting trip in Southern Iraq... ironically the release of the hostages was delayed over the actions of some other Sunni Qatari groups in Syria
 
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Has Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood ever bombed our children?

No.

Have Saudi supported ones done so?

Yes. Probably ( i wont speculate that hard).

Have Qatar just spent an ungodly amount of money in the UK?

Yes

Would they damage that by attacking us?

No

Would the Saudis?

Probably.
 
Saudi Arabia has ordered people of Qatari origin to return to Qatar or face "serious consequences". That includes those married to Saudi Arabians. Children inherit their father's nationality in Saudi Arabia so this basically means that if you're a Qatari woman who has married a Saudi man, you're separated from your children as you alone are deported.

Hotels in Saudi Arabia have been banned from showing Al-Jazeera news station.
 
Qatar have stated that Saudi Arabia are now preventing Qatari pilgrims travelling to Mecca. Going to Mecca is a pretty big deal for them. SA are saying that they haven't actually blocked people going there. However, they're restricting flights from Qatar to it and other problematic restrictions.

https://www.rt.com/news/398027-qatar-hajj-saudi-restrictions-war/

They're still demanding that the Qatari government interfere with Al Jazeera and "reform" it. Turkey has sent further troops into Qatar to defend it.
 
StriderX said:
Have Qatar just spent an ungodly amount of money in the UK?

Yes

Would they damage that by attacking us?

No

Would the Saudis?

Probably.
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neither likely want to attack the UK, both have likely supported people/groups that would be happy to though
 
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