That one special person..

[Felon]

But if I were you I be blaming the manger for having zero balls, could have sorted this issue out ages ago.

Yeah this is part of the problem, I actually really get on well with my manager - but he is a little too averse to rocking the boat, when it needs turning over.

We're only a small firm, and so don't have the sort of improvement programs or "PIP" plans you find in big corporate 50k+ employee orgs, so exiting people can be a bit harder.

Right now, we're in a situation where he's being 'controlled' and moved away from doing much - whether he'll move on or get pushed out remains to be seen, I just don't want to have anything to do with him, because he's a snake in the grass.

He's already been demoted, already been tagged multiple times in reviews (a couple of old-timers really hate him), so hopefully it's only a matter of time.

 

[sx_turbo]

Yeah this is part of the problem, I actually really get on well with my manager - but he is a little too averse to rocking the boat, when it needs turning over.

We're only a small firm, and so don't have the sort of improvement programs or "PIP" plans you find in big corporate 50k+ employee orgs, so exiting people can be a bit harder.

Right now, we're in a situation where he's being 'controlled' and moved away from doing much - whether he'll move on or get pushed out remains to be seen, I just don't want to have anything to do with him, because he's a snake in the grass.

He's already been demoted, already been tagged multiple times in reviews (a couple of old-timers really hate him), so hopefully it's only a matter of time.

I work in a small firm less than 50 people and the pip plans are really easy I'd they are that bad at their job.

The worst thing any company can do is just move the problem around, it demoralises other staff members, especially if they get promoted to get them out the way.

 

[swillsy]

Yeah this is part of the problem, I actually really get on well with my manager - but he is a little too averse to rocking the boat, when it needs turning over.

We're only a small firm, and so don't have the sort of improvement programs or "PIP" plans you find in big corporate 50k+ employee orgs, so exiting people can be a bit harder.

Right now, we're in a situation where he's being 'controlled' and moved away from doing much - whether he'll move on or get pushed out remains to be seen, I just don't want to have anything to do with him, because he's a snake in the grass.

He's already been demoted, already been tagged multiple times in reviews (a couple of old-timers really hate him), so hopefully it's only a matter of time.

This doesn't sound believable at all dude - literally everyone is binning people at the moment where they can and using NI% increase as their excuse and your work has someone on a million pounds annually whose not responsible for anything and they don't want to manage him out. Genuinely smaller firms are normally a lot better for this than larger ones - at my place which is a very big company we would move people to different departments if they weren't great until they got the message or just pay them off. If it is true - then this guy is 100% winning the game and you should take some tips

 

[Felon]

If it is true - then this guy is 100% winning the game and you should take some tips

In a way you're sort of half right - yes he was winning the game until he got exposed, and now he's already been demoted once - has had work removed from him and right now he doesn't really have a place to be, so it's not going to continue indefinitely.

The problem is, the firm makes so much profit - we're not in any rush to 'cull' people, we're actually expanding off of the back of record profits - the culture is also the sort that doesn't just dump people. They give them reasonable chances to improve - which he seems to be rapidly burning up, which is another surprise - as most smart people would have performed a self analysis, understood the problem and fixed it.

(this guy is also not UK/EU based, so the NI stuff doesn't apply)

 

[BDEE]

The guy is clearly due a promotion.

Only if his name is Peter. Classic Peter Principle at work.

 

[keenan]

My previous company was 95% these people

Croydon council?

 

[jaybee]

I've seen some classics over the years to be fair. But I can't really talk about a lot of them as it would give away companies/identities etc.

The issue I have is how these people get hired. I get really annoyed with my boss when he "goes out to market" for a new hire, we interview and then he asks me leading questions where he wants me to agree that the person is good but has basically already decided anyway as cba to keep interviewing. What do you know....we end up with awful hires.

Some of the most incompetent people I have ever come across in the IT landscape have indeed been the highest paid people. Funny how that works.

 

[OspreyO]

How do incompetent people get promoted. Because its about visibility not ability.

They also hire similar people because they don't know any better.

 

[dave28]

Must to very rare to have a numpty making top few % income without being their own boss / having their own business.

Maybe a Freemason, they love nothing more that to give a mate a top job they are not worthy of.

 

[mid_gen]

How do incompetent people get promoted. Because its about visibility not ability.

They also hire similar people because they don't know any better.

Failing upwards is a thing in every industry. Seems particularly prevalent in the games industry from my experience!

 

[OspreyO]

They breed in middle management layers. So wherever that exists.

 

[Subliminal Aura]

How do incompetent people get promoted. Because its about visibility not ability.

Because they can communicate in English not in flipping hex like the rest of the team

Anyway, good luck to him, he's going places - Senior management / Leadership written all over him

Sorry to say this OP but you'll have to lap it up

 

[Nasher]

Failing upwards is a thing in every industry. Seems particularly prevalent in the games industry from my experience!

Yep same, I also worked in the games industry in the 00s when it was starting to turn bad. Useless people get hired in to management positions by other useless people.

In IT quite often the managers aren't all that technical. What they are asking them in interviews who knows

 

[ltron]

The one thing this guy does that makes my blood boil, is that he’ll do some work - then mess it up and somebody else gets dragged in to fix it.

He’ll then stand back and point, like a criminal who’s just robbed somebody, trying to make it look like somebody else’s fault, it’s sickening to watch.

How did he manage to hoodwink your company into employing him so easily?

 

[Felon]

How did he manage to hoodwink your company into employing him so easily?

Halo effect - he knew a bunch of very high up people in the industry, and had a bunch of patents and other stuff to his name - so he got in without much process.

During the process, a bunch of senior leaders 'flagged concerns' but he managed to get through.

He's being moved out of my team elsewhere now, basically being demoted to regular deployment roles - so long as he stays away from my **** it's all good.

Failing upwards is a thing in every industry. Seems particularly prevalent in the games industry from my experience!

I like this view - I've seen it in multiple industries, complete cretins who know/do/deliver nothing - just seem to get bounced from role-to-role, company-to-company, become living jokes - yet somehow continue to exist.

They're almost like politicians - they just seem to always be there, ******* things up, getting paid lots - become known as clowns but never get binned.

 

[Nasher]

So has has less work to do but it still being paid a million. They can't get rid of him because he owns patents they need and has them by the balls.

Sounds like a dream job tbh. A few years of that and early retirement. No stress, doesn't have to give a ****. He'll probably live to be 100.

 

[OspreyO]

I used to bump into a few manager types, project leads, like this now and then. Maybe 20-30% would be like this.

I was away from it for a while but suddenly back dealing with them again and it's more like 50%+ now are just really bad at what they do. All in that middle management layer.