*** The 2013 Gym Rats Thread ***

Captain Planet said:
A group of guys who are very passionate about something, of course it will lead to debate/argument/discussion/raised eyebrows/peacocking/peen waving. Nothing new and will continue until the end of lifting time (which is forever).

Go back to not lifting.
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Erm excuse me? Lets just say the same to you shall we. :o

Go back to not lifting.
 
Skillmister said:
All we need now is opeths bench tips and the full checklist will be complete.
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opethdisciple said:
Isn’t it the case that progressive tension under load is what builds muscle.

If you take one person on the flat barbell bench and one person on the chest press machine, but the person on the machine over time is adding weight to the movement then it is the machine user growing as opposed to the free weight user.
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I think smiths are great for more hypertrophy specific training as you can do some slow negs, and workout in safety if you have no spotter as you are more likely to hit failure because of the volume you're doing. It's never going to be as good as a barbell, but it has it's place. I personally don't like the plane of movement I get using them, but I don't think they are the pariah of the gym, they have their place. However if I had to choose between a cage and a smith, I'd choose the cage.
 
Syla5 said:
Because???? your removing the requirement of stabliser muscles, and isolating the movement.......

Spot on contradiction of your reply to me just a few posts above...
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......wot?

No, I'm not arguing with you anymore, you have all the training knowledge of a potato
 
Steedie said:
He worded it badly, but it kind of does

Doing negatives on a smith machine would be far easier and probably more beneficial than doing it on a normal barbell bench, as you're able to concentrate 100% on bringing the bar down as slowly as possible, rather than worrying about the movement or what you're going to have to do if you need to bail low down
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If I'm doing a heavy neg, I'd certainly worry about the movement, which in the case of the smith won't be great. Easier, sure, but I don't do something because it's easier ;)

Negs would be done with a spotter and a barbell.

I understand why you're upset, I should have explained things a little better to start with. There may be some cases where you can use a smith, but in general it is better to use a barbell.
 
Steedie said:
......wot?

No, I'm not arguing with you anymore, you have all the training knowledge of a potato
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This coming from the form expert is genius. You know, form, that thing that takes up a large part of training....

Clearly my training knowledge sucks and I make no progress...
 
But you come from a different approach to lifting, it doesn't mean you should dismiss everything outside of that

I don't agree with some of the powerlifting ideas, but I appreciate that they serve a purpose for that group of people

Same reason you'll never agree with bicep isolation, because you've built good arms without them and because it's not beneficial to your training. But someone stepping on stage or someone training for the gurlz would argue it's essential
 
I'm not dismissing those things, the majority of my lifting life has been body building based. The principles I apply to my lifting now would be the same if I did body building, with some added isolation of course ;)
 
LiE said:
I'm not dismissing those things, the majority of my lifting life has been body building based. The principles I apply to my lifting now would be the same if I did body building, with some added isolation of course ;)
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But unfortunately, you'd get nowhere. Because your approach just doesn't lend itself to packing on size in the areas that make a difference.

Same as if I tried my way of lifting and entering powerlifting comps
 
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