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The 3rd generation phenomenon
- Thread starter Pete Tong
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Because there is issues with the newer gen stuff.
13/14th gen both have issues, long post about it all here
Intel has a Pretty Big Problem..
Intel's 13900k's and 14900k's are crashing at an alarming rate? Why isn't anyone talking about it and what is Intel's solution? Forum Thread here: https://forum.level1techs.com/t/intels-got-a-problem-13900k-ks-kf-14900k-ks-kf-crashing/213008?u=autumn
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the new Intel processor's are just not that amazing over the previous gen and worse in certain situations.
Is it really down to price alone? Intel have always been more expensive, but still sell really well. I think ED209 is spot on - why would you want to buy a product that has known issues, that will likely have a much higher than usual depreciation hit once it is fixed in a later revision?
The real question is if people will hold on to what they have and wait for Intel's next generation, or buy AMD.
Without any examples I assumed maybe the OP meant e.g. pre-built PCs with 10th/11th gen, GTX 1650/RTX 2060 and the like.
I think most of the old prebuilds you see on mass market websites are just built to a price and you can sometimes get very good clearance deals on these parts, when an uninformed buyer doesn't know the difference between e.g. 10th gen i5/i7 and 14th gen i5/i7 or even a GTX 1650 and an RTX 3060.
Asked work for a new computer last year in the office as it was 10 years old and starting to chug. Got a new one, intel 10th gen inside it.
It's a Lenovo and paid £800, no idea why they paid that much for such outdated Hardware.
The it guy is really tech savvy, so i was bemused he went for it. Maybe he paying for piece of mind that it just works. But I priced up a current pc for work only purposes and it would have been £200 less and a lot faster. Surely once it's built do a few stress tests over a few days when happy with it, let it go.
It's a Lenovo and paid £800, no idea why they paid that much for such outdated Hardware.
The it guy is really tech savvy, so i was bemused he went for it. Maybe he paying for piece of mind that it just works. But I priced up a current pc for work only purposes and it would have been £200 less and a lot faster. Surely once it's built do a few stress tests over a few days when happy with it, let it go.
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Soldato
Pretty sure it's mostly down to price/performance.
You can buy hardware that's 3 generations old and it's still competitive, and available at some great prices. Option of cheaper memory, motherboards usually a bit cheaper, not missing out on many features. Right now, I'd rather buy a reduced price Intel 12th or 13th gen than one of their newer ones, if I had to buy Intel right now.
You can buy hardware that's 3 generations old and it's still competitive, and available at some great prices. Option of cheaper memory, motherboards usually a bit cheaper, not missing out on many features. Right now, I'd rather buy a reduced price Intel 12th or 13th gen than one of their newer ones, if I had to buy Intel right now.
Dunno if anyone ever got to the bottom of it but 11th gen onwards Intels, and to a degree some newer AMD CPUs, can have issues with productivity tasks with some weird latency issues - however it isn't as simple as all newer than 10th gen CPUs are impacted, though it doesn't seem to affect anything older.
I was quite apprehensive about building a new 14700K system due to having experienced it on several 13th gen and AMD 7000 series builds but so far I've not had an issue with it at all on the 14700K.
Latest person encountering it:
EDIT: There is some general hand waving to DDR5 in the comments and it does seem to have become a thing since DDR5 became a thing, so possible on some setups there is poor synergy with the DDR5 configuration and the CPU causing it in some way.
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Absolutely a question of price to performance.
That coupled with increasing costs for hardware and everything else in life is really squeezing people, so they're trying to get the best bang for the buck
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Exactly. Prices are exorbitant; we buy older stuff because that's more affordable. Yeah even when the platforms are EoL.
Heck as a hobby project, I went and built a dedicated development PC out of Haswell stuff from AliExpress. Then went to Broadwell when prices dropped cause I was sick of the bunk motherboard I bought. I've spent around 250 quid on it total, which is less than a current-gen entry level gaming GPU.
Soldato
Price and stagnant performance.
Haha, that's less than most "mid tier" motherboards now