The 5,000+ mile average MPG thread

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It just takes one "poorly" calibrated pump and all that data is useless.
Anyway, these are the rules for this thread, so only posts with an OBC capture are valid.

No. No it doesn't. You are talking about averages over many thousands of miles. One poorly calibrated pump isn't really going to affect the data pool in any significant way. Statistically speaking of course (and that is what you are dealing with here, statistics).

On the other hand, a poorly calibrated OBC will severely affect the data pool, and thus makes the whole exercise pretty pointless. Sure, it will at least be consistent, for that one vehicle, but it does mean that trying to draw any reasonable comparison BETWEEN vehicles is pointless, as there is no regulated standard for calibration between manufacturers OBC's, whereas there is a regulated standard for petrol pumps.

Basically, your method promotes whole vehicles as potential outliers when doing comparisons, compared to taking pump data where there may be an occasional outlier pump that doesn't really significantly affect the accuracy of comparison between vehicles, unless someone exclusively uses a dodgy pump. Moreover, you are severely restricting the gathering of data with such inaccurate rules. Since the very people you really want to be posting in this thread, are the people who will only gather accurate data over many thousands of miles (I have over 100k of tracked miles between different vehicles in fuelly for example). But these people are unlikely to use inaccurate ways of gathering their data. Look at the amount of posts on here that use some sort of fuel tracking app, or website to see what the general trend is for gathering fuel economy data.

Maybe someone should start a sensible fuel economy tracking thread. It's a topic I have some degree of interest in, as I find the average fuel economy of a real life vehicle is usually the better metric to use when deciding if a vehicle will fit my needs for a particular task. I often browse Fuelly to see real world numbers for cars I have a passing interest in.
 
OP, I am really, honestly interested in why you think the OBC data is more accurate than pump data / milage calculations? If it's that pumps can be poorly calibrated then the same applies to OBCs. The difference is that pumps have to be calibrated and are regulated by The Measuring Instrument Directive (2004/22/EC). I don't recall the exact figured but it was around -0.05% to +0.1%. This is enforced by UK trading standards and stations are required to calibrate every 6 months.
No such regulations exist for OBC readouts.
 
OP, I am really, honestly interested in why you think the OBC data is more accurate than pump data / milage calculations? If it's that pumps can be poorly calibrated then the same applies to OBCs. The difference is that pumps have to be calibrated and are regulated by The Measuring Instrument Directive (2004/22/EC). I don't recall the exact figured but it was around -0.05% to +0.1%. This is enforced by UK trading standards and stations are required to calibrate every 6 months.
No such regulations exist for OBC readouts.

I don't think he thinks it's more accurate really, he just happened to reach 5000 miles on his OBC with half decent economy for once and started a thread with 'rules' that matched those particular circumstances. All the bluff and bluster about uncalibrated fuel pumps is just random excuses because he only wants people to contribute the same thing as him.
 
I don't have a trip computer, but I've done it in Excel for the past 9 years..

Miles in 9 years.
56876

Litres in 9 years
8438.81

Average MPG over 9 years
30.64


I no longer have a stop/start commute, so my weekly average is much higher than it used to be, it was always high 20's, now it's nearer 33 MPG.
For the past ~5000 miles

~5000 miles
5154 miles

Litres
692.42

Average MPG
33.84

Integra Type R DC2


Everyone's figures will be skewed unless you have a GPS odometer. As your tyres wear a 'mile' will differ over time.
 
Maybe someone should start a sensible fuel economy tracking thread. It's a topic I have some degree of interest in, as I find the average fuel economy of a real life vehicle is usually the better metric to use when deciding if a vehicle will fit my needs for a particular task. I often browse Fuelly to see real world numbers for cars I have a passing interest in.

Seems like a sensible idea if someone wants to create/update one? Maybe even worth including both fuelly data and OBC stats as a comparison to see exactly how far out some of these computers are?
 
Isn't this what you are doing?

The thread is what it is. If you don't like it make your own thread. Don't think it's worth wasting mods time removing irrelevant posts.

No. No it doesn't. You are talking about averages over many thousands of miles. One poorly calibrated pump isn't really going to affect the data pool in any significant way. .

I think most people would use the same petrol station more than once over 5000 miles so your argument is not valid.

I don't think he thinks it's more accurate really, he just happened to reach 5000 miles on his OBC with half decent economy for once and started a thread with 'rules'

You are contradicting yourself. Very amusing
 
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Isn't this what you are doing?

The thread is what it is. If you don't like it make your own thread. Don't think it's worth wasting mods time removing irrelevant posts.

I don't like it, but I agree don't think we should waste time moderating the inevitable differences of opinion caused by it - therefore think it's best to lock it.
 
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http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/fiesta/2013/dlorey/190722

102 fuel ups at 500 miles per tank. Recorded 53,000 miles before I stopped caring :D
 
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