** The AMD Navi Thread **

[subbytna]

Well now that Vega is here, why not look towards the next AMD offering...and hope it's not a hash like Vega turned out to be.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/...in-Presented-by-AMD-Radeon_FINAL-page-012.jpp


Possibly early 2018?

GDDR6 or HBM2?

Thoughts???

 

[subbytna]

Isn't this a proper Raja "from the ground up" architechture? I hope to god it's decent as Vega was a decent effort ruined by pricing and power draw.

 

[subbytna]

It's 18 months away imo. We'll get refreshed Vega in-between.

Going by the AMD released timescale, Navi is 2018 release, let me find the post...

 

[subbytna]

Oh god no not another thread which will be full of nonsense for over a year.

OCUK forums, what else did you expect lol

 

[subbytna]

Will we be seeing 8 gig of VRAM on these or more? Surely these will be proper 4k cards and thus have double figures VRAM? 2 X 8 gig? 16??

 

[subbytna]

Any rumours heard that Navi will be multi chip using infinity fabric like Threadripper?

My mate says it's an option he read somewhere, but I'm 99% sure it was the beer talking and he's full of it. I can't find anything online to say it is, or isn't.

 

[subbytna]

Navi will be made on the 7nm process, but other than that we don't know much. So let's start thinking about what AMD could deliver to change things up and actually fight NVIDIA in the GPU arena. Navi could feature modular Navi GPU dies that would be similar to the way AMD made Ryzen and Ryzen Threadripper, where Ryzen Threadripper 1950X is really an EPYC server CPU with dies disabled.

A modular Navi or not? If they can do it with threadripper why couldn't they do it with Navi? Probably a bit TOO far ahead of its time but I think GPU's will possibly go this way. Multi GPU but acting as one GPU.

 

[subbytna]

There's also the matter of latency to consider too for a multi module GPU. I think it'll happen but perhaps not for another gen anyway. As Jedi and roff said, there's a LOT more work to do to overcome these issues.

 

[subbytna]

Isn't the 7th supposed to be some anniversary for AMD?

 

[subbytna]

Navi has always been discussed as a midrange replacement, so that's RX580, RX590 and both RX Vegas replaced. And by extension, no, Radeon VII isn't be replaced just yet, but I think it will be by the end of the year or Q1 2020.

Based on nothing more than pixie dust and wild speculation on my part, I think the leaked RX 3080 specs are for a cut-down Navi 10 die, which means a full-fat Navi 10 die could be waiting in the wings. If cut-down Navi 10 is rumoured to be Vega 64 + 15% performance then a full-fat Navi 10 could be Vega 64 + 25% performance or higher: that's Radeon VII territory. The only thing stopping AMD from releasing it sooner is the 16GB VRAM precedent they set with Radeon VII - how to you get 16GB GDDR6 onto the PCB? Because you know if they drop down to 8GB then there will be a *********.

IMO the VII is just a stop gap so that AMD had something to release. That's why they aren't ramping up production and few, if any, AIB partners are making custom VII cards. VII seems to me anyway, to be failed Instinct cards that were converted to GPU to sell, rather than lost the chip entirely.

 

[subbytna]

Doubt they are using Nvidias tech, but I know what you mean.

 

[subbytna]

With that 1660 out today, Navi needs to be in good shape and soon. the 1080p market is back in play again due to the pricing of the 1660 v the 580/590 cards

 

[subbytna]

RX 590 8GB is fine to deal with GTX 1660 6GB. Navi should address some different tiers - RTX 2060 6GB and up.

1660 is beating the 590 by around 10% and is cheaper. Free games balances it a bit but that'll not last forever. Low end Navi needs to be competitive in price.

 

[subbytna]

Anyway, back to Navi chat in the thread.

Anyone foreseeing a liquid cooled version? Or will the 7nm Navi be cool enough to be on air again?

Will Navi be HMB or GDDR6? Any leaks on that? GDDR6 will be cheaper to use and could drop the price down more at launch than if it used HBM2

When Navi drops I'll probably do my 5 year upgrade. Ryzen 8 core 3600 (perhaps) and a mid range Navi, or just keep my vega56 instead.

 

[subbytna]

AMD's big customers dictate what AMD focuses on in terms of performance.

Coreteks youtube video https://youtu.be/PRz4U9GrM2w?t=416

Good explanation of AMD doing what their customers want, not what "Joe bloggs the gamer" wants. Their customers dictate what direction AMD takes with their graphics.

 

[subbytna]

Lets get back on track talking about Navi and leave the handbags stuff to private messages?

Q3 then for Navi, so that means it could possibly be out July at the earliest?...if my mathematics is right.

 

[subbytna]

Mutterings of heat issues with Navi.....will we see GTX480 MKII

 

[subbytna]

I think a few people should have a look at this video:

Not only is it interesting but it might help explain their position in the market and why they do what they do. Navi might be a failure for us but I bet it hits the spot for it's intended audience. Much like Mi50/60

Do keep up squire a dozen or so posts above yours

J/K... It's actually a decent video from him. Takes a while to get used to his monotone voice though. Been following him for a while now, very like Jim at @adoredtv where he's good at analysing tech.

 

[subbytna]

make a pure and simple decision on price/perf ratio..

If you're making a price to performace choice then you'd go with AMD right now. You can't seriously say that 2000 series of GPUs' from Nvidia are value?

 

[subbytna]

Anyone got any info on Navi running hot? Seeing videos online with rumours it's warm.