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Hi, I never mentioned games, I'm talking about Timespy. We all know canned benchmarks don't translate to what we can expect in games.
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** The AMD Navi Thread **
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Hi, I never mentioned games, I'm talking about Timespy. We all know canned benchmarks don't translate to what we can expect in games.
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One of the problems with GCN is inconsistency, we've been expecting a fix so we don't see the type of performance hit we've see in games like Project Cars, FF & GTAV?
Better performance there doesn't make the 5700XT the faster card, It shows that they worked on one of the issues GCN had.
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But you need 16Gb of Vram to game properly, the internet is certain of it.
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Back in reality.
It's 10 pound off the price it's been for months.
It's also only one SKU.
We're only 8 days off seeing the performance overall. But AMD showed it at basically a 2070 level.
People are hyping themselves up to disappoint themselves.
5700XT offers great performance for a mid tier part. It's just priced at a tier it's not.
Could be preparation for the rtx2080 price drop that’s coming
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe Navi beats the Radeon 7 in general or AMD would have used it as a selling point of Marketing. But to even see Navi beat the Radeon 7 is a single game is still remarkable given the power difference on paper. So well done to AMD for fixing some stuff up where GCN fell short
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That bench looks very interesting, if that translates into other games NAVI could have far higher gaming utilisation that previous AMD chips.
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It's a bogus benchmark though. It favours nvidia so much that all AMD product line struggles. A 1070 beats a Vega 7 for example.
Am suprised this is even a discussion atm
There is a lot of truth to that, The fact is AMD do hold the vast majority of the gaming markets on their architectures, they have all the consoles and now with Google, Microsoft and Sony they have game streaming stitched up.
With that most game developers actually are optimizing for AMD, primarily, so why are nVidia ahead, he goes a long way to answering that, Pascal / Turning are just that much more efficient using larger dies to pack efficiency focused components on the GPU, there is a lot of efficiency built into their architecture.
Navi's RDNA builds in a lot of its own hardware level efficiency, similar to Pascal. with a similar number of Stream Processors to the RX 580 the 5700XT is 100% faster yet the die relative to 14nm vs 7nm is a lot larger, compared with the 16nm 1080TI @ 471mm @ 251mm Navi at 7nm is near half the size and similar in performance, when you look at Vega 7 which is still GCN that's 331mm at 7nm and again similar performance, its a die size reduction on the same 7nm process for the same performance of 25%, that's the difference between RDNA and GCN.
When and if the larger 5800 and 5900 Navi GPU's arrive the performance should be there to challenge nVidia, even more so in time when game developers start developing their games around that RDNA architecture, because right now games are still running legacy GCN on Navi
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With that most game developers actually are optimizing for AMD, primarily, so why are nVidia ahead, he goes a long way to answering that, Pascal / Turning are just that much more efficient using larger dies to pack efficiency focused components on the GPU, there is a lot of efficiency built into their architecture.
When and if the larger 5800 and 5900 Navi GPU's arive the performance should be there to challenge nVidia, even more so in time when game developers start developing their games around that RDNA architecture, because right now game are still running legacy GCN on Navi
I don't know about that, journalists said the exact same thing before the PS4/Xbox One launch in that games would be optimized better for AMD hardware and everyone should buy AMD GPUs, that didn't materialise.
Can't see that happening next gen either. Nothing will change in that regard.
Apparently it was a 2070 Founders they compared against, so that's a tiny positive in 5700XT is comparable to the better binned TU106. That's also probably where AMD got this ludicrous price from; they really did give us the massive price undercut we all wanted because the Founders 2070 is $599. Such a shame that AIB 2070s are much cheaper.
I made a rough calculation based on the graph and then a review of the VII vs a 2080 ti in games, it came out to be about 30% bias, the 5700XT should really be about 7100 which would make sense.
So the Super beats it like Nvidia wanted, the 5700XT would according to this be a tiny 4% better price/perf wise than the new super.
Another note, the 5700 is around 10% slower, for pretty much the 10% loss of compute units basically, a full fat 64 unit Navi on this hybrid arch would be 60% faster giving about Titan levels of perf sans bias. Probably want RDNA before they push that though?
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So the Super beats it like Nvidia wanted, the 5700XT would according to this be a tiny 4% better price/perf wise than the new super.
Another note, the 5700 is around 10% slower, for pretty much the 10% loss of compute units basically, a full fat 64 unit Navi on this hybrid arch would be 60% faster giving about Titan levels of perf sans bias. Probably want RDNA before they push that though?
/mega speculation
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Whatch the video, all of it, he does a better job of explaining it than i do, it's simply that nVidia's GPU are that much more efficient, nVidia dominate PC gaming, PC gaming is a fraction of everything else all of which is run on AMD hardware, game deves develop their games to run efficiently on those AMD consoles, i think nVidia have the money to go round a lot of them and add their own optimizations before PC release on thier more efficient architectures, Navi largely takes away nVidia's architectural advantage while maintaining games being developed primarily for their architecture.
Another thing he said was there is largely a divergence to how GPU's get their results, AMD are doing this deliberately so the way games are optimized is very different on AMD's GPU's than nVidia, this makes nVidia put more work into it if they want to keep up.
Basically AMD are taking advantage of their market dominance.
I like this new more aggressive AMD.
Basically AMD are taking advantage of their market dominance.
I like this new more aggressive AMD.
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The 5700XT is the last thing is describe as aggressive
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I said the same thing and got slammed for it haa