Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

[DragonQ]

AMD announces Capsaicin Siggraph with no word about RX Vega

https://videocardz.com/70655/amd-announces-capsaicin-siggraph-with-no-word-about-rx-vega

Bad sign. I give up. *hugs RX 480*

 

[Gerard]

Supposed to be launching it at siggraph, hmm.

 

[TNA]

Way to use something completely irrelevant to try and slate AMD.

+1

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Directly from AMD for Siggraph. Nothing about Radeon RX that's supposed to launch there.


https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/amd-capsaicin-siggraph-2017-tickets-35520337285

Experience the art of the impossible in person at AMD Capsaicin SIGGRAPH 2017.

On July 30, learn about our newest additions to the Radeon™ Pro family featuring the cutting-edge Radeon™ “Vega” architecture. Hear from our partners on how AMD’s product lineup – Radeon Pro, Ryzen™ Threadripper™, EPYC™ and Radeon Instinct™ – is revolutionizing the creative pipeline, leading industries from entertainment to engineering into a new era of precision and performance.

Register by July 25th, as seats are extremely limited for this exclusive presentation and make sure to show up early to secure a good seat.

6:30PM PST - Doors open

7:30PM - 8:45PM PST - Formal presentation

8:45PM - Midnight PST - Demos and reception

AMD will have a booth located at #301 on the SIGGRAPH exhibition floor, where visitors will be able to see professional workflows powered by Radeon Pro graphics products.

 

[melmac]

Bullet points for the PCper livestream courtesy of reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6katp6/radeon_vega_frontier_edition_live_benchmarking/djkrrz7/

Well, thanks for the bullet points, but, the most revealing point is the first one.

"No perf diff beween game mode and pro mode" It's obvious from this that game mode isn't working. Because of this, we can't really make any calls about the performance of Rx Vega, because we don't really know the gaming performance of Vega FE.

Of course, it could be that they just can't get it working, for whatever reason, and maybe they will never get it working. If that's the case, then it's not looking too good for Rx Vega.

 

[Gerard]

As has been mentioned before game mode just enables the video card options like aa af etc in the and control panel.

 

[fs123]

Supposed to be launching it at siggraph, hmm.

Perhaps they will cancel the gaming card. If performance cannot be improved over Vega FE then the price would have to be lower than the 1080 which would probably be a loss maker for AMD. A business will normally not release a loss making product.

 

[triss]

AMD claimed improved IPC though; it was on their slides for their "new" compute units compared to old GCN.

Also at the moment it looks like vega is nearly 30% slower IPC wise than Fiji. :/

Did they say from which "old" GCN iteration ?
They may be comparing it to a old say 7000 series one

 

[N19h7m4r3]

Did they say from which "old" GCN iteration ?
They may be comparing it to a old say 7000 series one

The presentations were comparing to Fiji after they launched the Radeon Pro Duo. ;/

 

[triss]

The presentations were comparing to Fiji after they launched the Radeon Pro Duo. ;/

 

[opethdisciple]

Perhaps they will cancel the gaming card. If performance cannot be improved over Vega FE then the price would have to be lower than the 1080 which would probably be a loss maker for AMD. A business will normally not release a loss making product.

At this point tho, they would be sitting on thousands if not hundreds of thousands of cards ready for launch day.

 

[Freddie1980]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6kdwea/vega_fe_doesnt_seem_to_be_doing_tiled/djld98t/

I won't pretend to know what half of that means but if ture it sounds like there's potential for an absolute metric f ton of performance gains to be had with software updates. The Fiji driver comment also would explain why Vega is similar in performance to a Fiji card and this part is also interesting:

They built in fallbacks in the hardware because of the massive changes. Its a protection against poorly written games and helps AMD have a starting point for driver development.

I wonder if this means AMD has changed the way scheduling is handled so they can get around API limitations on the driver? If so this could bring AMD right back into the game.

 

[Random Guy Esq.]

It's an unmitigated marketing disaster. The FE card is being slated on forums due to the benching carried out over the past few days, but AMD keep quiet. So it's left to the more sensible posters to tell the doom mongers to wait for Siggraph. But it's now, in the middle of this PR **** storm, that AMD choose to announce details of an RX Vega-less Siggraph. Unbelievable.

 

[Freddie1980]

It's an unmitigated marketing disaster. The FE card is being slated on forums due to the benching carried out over the past few days, but AMD keep quiet. So it's left to the more sensible posters to tell the doom mongers to wait for Siggraph. But it's now, in the middle of this PR **** storm, that AMD choose to announce details of an RX Vega-less Siggraph. Unbelievable.

There's no marketing disaster Vega FE does exactly what AMD told us it would do people are anxious about the relatively poor gaming performance even though AMD have told us to wait for the RX edition. Look at my last post just above there appears to be lots of room for driver and software updates for the RX version my only concern is AMD will roll out these updates gradually month by month rather give a day 1 super driver.

 

[Random Guy Esq.]

There's no marketing disaster Vega FE does exactly what AMD told us it would do people are anxious about the relatively poor gaming performance even though AMD have told us to wait for the RX edition. Look at my last post just above there appears to be lots of room for driver and software updates for the RX version my only concern is AMD will roll out these updates gradually month by month rather give a day 1 super driver.

I said nothing about performance. I'm talking about the very real confusion that exists right now in the press and the tech forums.

 

[Rroff]

There's no marketing disaster Vega FE does exactly what AMD told us it would do people are anxious about the relatively poor gaming performance even though AMD have told us to wait for the RX edition. Look at my last post just above there appears to be lots of room for driver and software updates for the RX version my only concern is AMD will roll out these updates gradually month by month rather give a day 1 super driver.

Its an absolute marketing disaster as its the first impression people are getting regardless of what they say and as with the 480, etc. it tends to leave a lasting shadow especially when they are mostly silent in the face of it.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Honestly at this point its better if they delay the gaming version until performance is up to decent levels. Its no point rushing out yet another half finished card.

There's no marketing disaster Vega FE does exactly what AMD told us it would do people are anxious about the relatively poor gaming performance even though AMD have told us to wait for the RX edition. Look at my last post just above there appears to be lots of room for driver and software updates for the RX version my only concern is AMD will roll out these updates gradually month by month rather give a day 1 super driver.

AMD should have not spent months literally only talking about gaming performance though - they are somewhat to blame for this.

At least with ATI,they kept their cards close to their chest - remember the HD4000 series?? That was after ATI having the HD2000 and HD3000 series too.

 

[icey_haj]

Honestly at this point its better if they delay the gaming version until performance is up to decent levels. Its no point rushing out yet another half finished card.



AMD should have not spent months literally only talking about gaming performance though - they are somewhat to blame for this.

At least with ATI,they kept their cards close to their chest - remember the HD4000 series?? That was after ATI having the HD2000 and HD3000 series too.

Ah the 4870...delightful little card that was.

 

[silversurfer]

Put this in OP maybe http://i.imgur.com/mqNxnqm.png

I saw 39fps in the gta5 test and thought it a little low as a min. Otherwise I appreciate that summary. My impression is just the time to buy is pushed back, I see no definites to it all just delays to knowing if its worth having. Even mining wise, they could optimise and theres no way that has been done

it has not been "turned on" yet. Vega is using the fallback rendering method instead

That in brief, seems to be they supplied the engine but not yet the rocket fuel to make it go. Limp home mode?

Spoiler

A point missed, the 'boring' benchs look fine or did I get it wrong.
Reminds me of Hopkins in Westworld; poor Raja is like, Frontier is not meant for you

I always love AMD threads, also, notice how AMD threads always tend of have way more posts/pages than any nvidia thread, even combined? And about 80% of posts are AMD are DOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED

The triggered gif only fits one extreme right now, its the 580 price is selling for. Consider if you own one, a price for anything is on balance what you are selling as much as what you buy

AMD insist on staying silent. This is a bad sign.

AMD seem like Valve. Creators who want to stay that way focused, a bit sketchy on details but sometimes amazing on the eventual result. Just waiting for their sistine chapel

 

[D.P.]

Well, thanks for the bullet points, but, the most revealing point is the first one.

"No perf diff beween game mode and pro mode" It's obvious from this that game mode isn't working. Because of this, we can't really make any calls about the performance of Rx Vega, because we don't really know the gaming performance of Vega FE.

Of course, it could be that they just can't get it working, for whatever reason, and maybe they will never get it working. If that's the case, then it's not looking too good for Rx Vega.

There is no difference between gaming and pro use in quadro drivers the Quadro drivers are just as fast at gaming as gaming drivers.


I wouldn't expect a performance difference on Vega.