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Poll: ** The AMD VEGA Thread **

On or off the hype train?

  • (off) Train has derailed

    Votes: 207 39.2%

  • (on) Overcrowding, standing room only

    Votes: 100 18.9%

  • (never ever got on) Chinese escalator

    Votes: 221 41.9%
  • Total voters
    528
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Chuk_Chuk said:
I think the ti is the largest possible chip. If AMD was competitive, ti would have launched at the same time as the 1080 and 1070
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Nah they do have the GP100 which is bigger, though the extra space isn't used for CUDA cores, but I would imagine that it could be used for more CUDAs if they wanted to. It was probably too big for a consumer product by Nvidia's profit standards and was not designed for consumers anyway.

Which is why, imo, at this point in time and if vega FE is a real indication of RX vegas performance, Nvidia would be crazy not to refresh Pascal on 12nm and tweak their GP100 for the consumer market. That would make the GP100 around 458mm² (smaller than the current GP102), and they could sell a 1080ti at around 1080 price (probably with a little premium), a 1080 at around 1070 price and so on
 
Oh no! AMD went with Coolermaster again for their AIO pump!

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WeSbO said:
Nah they do have the GP100 which is bigger, though the extra space isn't used for CUDA cores, but I would imagine that it could be used for more CUDAs if they wanted to. It was probably too big for a consumer product by Nvidia's profit standards and was not designed for consumers anyway.

Which is why, imo, at this point in time and if vega FE is a real indication of RX vegas performance, Nvidia would be crazy not to refresh Pascal on 12nm and tweak their GP100 for the consumer market. That would make the GP100 around 458mm² (smaller than the current GP102), and they could sell a 1080ti at around 1080 price (probably with a little premium), a 1080 at around 1070 price and so on
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There is no advantage to using GP100 in the consumer market over GP102, all of the extra FP64 cores taking up die space go to waste. And Nvidia will no doubt disable the packed math FP16 support.
 
Mauller said:
There is no advantage to using GP100 in the consumer market over GP102, all of the extra FP64 cores taking up die space go to waste. And Nvidia will no doubt disable the packed math FP16 support.
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Read my comment again, GP100 could be tweaked for the consumer by adding cuda cores for example as opposed to things like double FP support and whatnot. If there is one company that could tweak an architecture to make it work I would say it's Nvidia.
 
Nablaoperator said:
Hehe i have basically stopped playing bcoz .. playing games on anything less than a vega would be a complete waste
not that i actually need a graphics card. have a titan (maxwell) on my gaming rig where i play games released during 2003-05 and thanks to my work life balance i think i will be always able to maintain a 10yr inventory of unplayed games :D

could have upgraded to the 1080 but didnt bcoz for me the 1080 is actually a 1070

if amd had something competitive i believe nvidia would have launched the 1080ti in place of the 1080 while ti could have been a much larger chip.

Hell i was also thinking of buying the FE .. if it wasnt such a confusing product.

Ans yes this is also the first time i will be going multi-gpu,.. so a bit concerned about stability given the high power draw but if amd are not greedy i can possibly buy 3 instead of 2 vegas
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For the past few year I have tried not to buy any old game no matter how much of a bargain it seems. Time is more the issue than price of a game. Doing this I have managed to catch up with my backlog of steam games from many years of steam sales. I just played it a bit, if it did not grab me move on to the next. Now I am at a stage where I know which games I will be interested in playing when they come out. In the mean time I can go play old games I really enjoy when I get the time :)

Your Titan Maxwell should be able to play most games anyway, it is essentially a 1070, no point upgrading it to anything less then a RX Vega XTX (if that rumour of the naming scheme is correct) or 1080Ti in my opinion.


Panos said:
While I believe the AIO will be good, the FuryX and 295X2 from my own experience is very good, I will custom WC mine and I don't care about power consumption :)

Also for the pricing I agree.
Vividly remembering the tast time we (forum wide) had the argument Nvidia (higher price, less power consumption at stock speeds, - GTX780Ti) vs AMD (lower price, more power consumption - 290X), we ended up running calculations about electricity prices.
And the GTX780Ti had to run 8h per day 365d per year, for 25 (80 for the Titan Black) years to gain in electricity bills the extra price of the 780Ti, over the higher power consumption of the 290X.
However this energy value gains were wiped out if both cards were overclocked, because the 780Ti was 10W less hungry than the 290X then.

Fast forward 4 years, and we see that the 780Ti is at the bottom of the charts, bellow the RX470 for heaven sake, and anyone who was arguing about the energy consumption should have kept it, because he hasn't paid off the higher price of it..... If not, is a hypocrite :D
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Never had a 700 series card myself so no idea. I did enjoy my 295x2 however when crossfire worked. Was damn hot air that was gushing out the back of my case though :p


N19h7m4r3 said:
Oh no! AMD went with Coolermaster again for their AIO pump!

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Oh no, coolermaster again!! Well it better work and be damned cheap now :p
 
TonyTurbo78 said:
Uh oh. Going to take a brave man to pre order.
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TNA said:
Oh no, coolermaster again!! Well it better work and be damned cheap now :p
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I hope PcPer and others do some proper audio testing to see if it has pump noise issues; and some proper thermal testing with overclocking.

Hopefully Coolermaster/AMD learnt their lesson; especially considering the price of the Frontier Edition.

As it stands though, I had a Fury X from XFX and it was bloody amazing. Luckily not a gen 1 batch. Loudest thing in my system is/was the Chassis fans that are only voltage controlled and not PWM.
After them was my external raids under the desk.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
Oh no! AMD went with Coolermaster again for their AIO pump!

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First thing they would or should have done when discussing this with coolermaster would be the RMA figures related to the pump and coolermaster showing that they have a solution to reduce this issue significantly.
 
I had one of the very first Fury X cards and no pump whine on mine. The cooler did a great job in truth and made me a bit of an AIO fan (been fully custom water cooled for years prior). I wouldn't worry that CM have them again and I am sure that they will be far more on the ball this time.

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As for Panos - Guys, do the sensible thing and ignore him.
 
TNA said:
Nope, don't think that was me.

I actually don't mind if it is 400 watts, but the XTX water cooled one which will deal with that heat will need to be cheaper as a result. Price for performance is the most important thing for me.
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Exactly, I don't care if it takes 500 watt's, As long as I can buy a model that can handle the temps I'll be happy. Even though I just swapped out my 850 watt psu for a 650 watt one recently I'll happily go bigger if needed. Price and Performance are all that matter.
 
Gregster said:
I had one of the very first Fury X cards and no pump whine on mine. The cooler did a great job in truth and made me a bit of an AIO fan (been fully custom water cooled for years prior). I wouldn't worry that CM have them again and I am sure that they will be far more on the ball this time.

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As for Panos - Guys, do the sensible thing and ignore him.
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I was also amongst the first Fury X buyers and bought 3 different cards over the course of 2 months and they all had the very annoying whining noise. Since all my rig is water cooled and pretty silent that noise was just unbearable. Not because it was loud but because of the high pitch type of noise.

Ended up going up for an air cooled Fury and gave up on the X version.

I REALLY hope AMD/Coolermaster have learnt their lesson!
 
WeSbO said:
Read my comment again, GP100 could be tweaked for the consumer by adding cuda cores for example as opposed to things like double FP support and whatnot. If there is one company that could tweak an architecture to make it work I would say it's Nvidia.
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Swapping out the FP64 cores and supporting circuitry for FP32 cores instead is not "tweaking", that is a major redesign of the architecture and underlying circuitry. Of course they could just scale up GP102 and add 2 more GPC to it instead for the same affect, but its still a big developmental cost.
 
Chewie said:
I was also amongst the first Fury X buyers and bought 3 different cards over the course of 2 months and they all had the very annoying whining noise. Since all my rig is water cooled and pretty silent that noise was just unbearable. Not because it was loud but because of the high pitch type of noise.

Ended up going up for an air cooled Fury and gave up on the X version.

I REALLY hope AMD/Coolermaster have learnt their lesson!
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Yer, there was a lot who had it unfortunately but I am sure they wouldn't let it happen again.
 
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